With great sadness the Right Wing press is faced with the passing of one of it's favorite talking points/fables: No new oil refineries have been built in the US in twenty years.

Today Motiva announced the opening of its' refinery expansion in Port Arthur, Texas. Once a 275,000 bbl. a day facility it is now a 600,000 a day facility. All of the expansion is new and built from the ground up as a brand new refinery. I am no good at attaching links; maybe someone else can.

Work was started five years ago and has continued the entire time the Right Wing Press was telling us that no refinery construction was underway in the US. And even worse, Obama has made no effort to stop the construction of the refinery even though it has been widely reported that he is doing almost nothing but trying to stop such developments.

Another refinery is also about to double in size in the Northwest, and two refineries in Tulsa have just finished expanding. The Sunoco refineries that the Right Wing press have been speaking about closing were just purchased and will not only stay open but also plan to expand. I guess the Right Wing Press must have missed that story, so I am glad to be able to bring it to their attention.

Of course all this expansion will result in a lot of jobs paying around $32 an hour. I guess the new talking point will be just think of how many more Union jobs would have been created if Obama were not President.

Hummmm..... Might have to rethink that last one.

thank goodness refineries are expanding.... having grown up about 50 miles east of Port Arthur, back when there was CONSTANT expansion and growth of the petro chemical facilities from Houston to New Orleans, this is welcome news. Now, drill, baby, drill....

I once asked a Lease Operator there if he ever ran into any Cottonmouths in that area and he said no. The Gators had eaten them all.

He once got stuck on some raised road leading down to Cameron because a big Gator had decided to take a nap on the road. He could not turn around and he did not want to back up for ten miles. He kept honking his horn until the Gator decided to lumber off.

People that don't work in the oil business have no idea of the weird stuff that goes on to bring that stuff to market.

As you said, rightly, there is no big deal in expanding an existing refinery, the permitting is much less stringent than getting a permit for a new refinery being developed from greenfield construction.

No new coal fired power plant has been built since Zimmer Power plant just east of Cincinnati on the Ohio River. That was opened in the mid-70's. Look it up.

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Yes, I think the word EXPANSION is the key. There were probably some existing permits of some sort that didn't have to be obtained from scratch had it been built on new property. Don't know, just speculating.

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Dominion power, Clover plant 1995,1996 431,435MW respectively
Prairie state energy campus commercial operation 2011 1600MW
Plant Scherer 1982-1990 3200MW total

At least do a little research before posting such nonsense

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One was built and opened near Kiowa, Oklahoma, about five or six years ago. About three trains a day come down from somewhere loaded with coal to keep the thing operating.

True that. I remember heading to the Jettys in Cameron long ago to do a bit of fishing and stopped on the roadside to see what a car was doing. It was two guys from England who worked for BP and were looking at what I suppose was their first gator. He was tiny, about 4 feet long and the guys were talking about grabbing it and putting it in their trunk. Others had stopped and advised them aaginst this. They were still trying to get it corraled when a passerby tossed a tire from a blowout at it. The gator spun on it's axis and grabbed the tire in a split second. The Brits deided that it was best left alone after that.

BIG BIG swamp lizards in the marshes of SWLA & SETX. Not uncommon to see 14-15 footers basking on the walkway of the Creole Nature Trail in Hackberry, LA.

Hmm.... so you are saying that a closed down refinery that was souped up and reopened is a NEW refinery? Very interesting logic.

Of course when liberals are parsing and spinning, they do come up with lots of interesting logic.

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Well if you ignore it for long enough it'll just go away, remember?

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You mean ignoring something CHANGES the logic? That sounds like even more very "interesting" logic.

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Still waiting Larry.

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Sort of new this whole 'refinery expansion thing' are you?

The refinery never missed a day of production except for when a Hurricane blew through and then it was not down, it was shut-in. I have worked a few of these storms and know that the only way a refinery is shut down is when a boiler is flooded.

And shut-in does not mean production stops. It just means that nothing is delivered or received. Normal operations resume as soon as a storm has passed and an inspection is finished. This is usually a matter of hours.

If you want to see what a closed refinery looks like then google 'Hudson Refinery Cushing Oklahoma' and look for a site called 'abandoned Oklahoma'.

The refinery is now gone since it was declared a Super-Fund site and was totally wiped away.

The story told by the locals is that the owner ran the place into the ground and then one day walked into the Bank and closed all the accounts. After they took off with all the cash they just left the place to fall in. They didn't even bother to tell the employees they were closing the place. I don't know if that is all true or not, but I do know this is......

The taxpayers with the bill for the clean-up. I don't know what it cost to tear down a refinery, but we got to pay for it since the owner could not be found.

Much of the steel in the plant was radioactive, so we got to pay for disposing of that, and the toxic chemicals left behind caused the area to evacuated for a few miles in every direction while they were cleaned up. We got to pay for that, too.

Yup.... The free market at work!

Today the land is fenced off with big DO NOT ENTER signs. If you want to see it on Google Earth then just look for the big empty place on both sides of the state highway on the west side of town.

They just closed a refinery in Marcus Hook, PA. Instead of tearing it down and disposing of it, they're just leaving it there until someone else foots the bill. That area already has something like twice the cancer rates of the rest of the surrounding areas

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