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Old 09-12-2012, 03:26 PM
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It isn't tough at all. As I said, we will never know where it ends. Assuming we ditched our principles, and gave them an inch, you sure they won't ask for a yard the next time?
Why not nuke them?

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Old 09-12-2012, 03:26 PM
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Like I sad, it's a tough one: Is freedom of speech worth the death of others?
For the freedom of everyone, yes. Remember the Revolutionary war?
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Nothing is worth dying in my book, you only have one shot at life.
If it doesn't stop, will you even have a life? Besides the fact of being alive?
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:27 PM
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Nothing is worth dying in my book, you only have one shot at life.
Freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness aren't worth dying for?
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Why not nuke them?
You mean besides the fact that we don't have the stones to do it and everyone knows that we are little more than a paper tiger with a loud roar?
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This thread has gone in a very sad direction.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:39 PM
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Nothing is worth dying in my book, you only have one shot at life.
So even protecting your family wouldn't be worth dying for?

Have you heard the expression "It's better to be a dead hero than a live louse" ?
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Good thing we didn't have a country full of people with this "not worth dying for" attitude ca. 1942. Had this been the case we would all be surviving on bread and water and speaking German and Japanese.

They don't call those people "The Greatest Generation" for nothing.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:56 PM
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That's fine. I'd be most willing to put my life on the line so others don't have to...it wouldn't be the first time I've done it.

Jorn is entitled to his opinion...like everyone else is. As long as he knows those that fought and died for is freedoms, that's all that matters...

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So even protecting your family wouldn't be worth dying for?

Have you heard the expression "It's better to be a dead hero than a live louse" ?
Family is a different thing. A death person doesn't care if he's a hero or not.
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Old 09-12-2012, 03:59 PM
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Freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness aren't worth dying for?
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:00 PM
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That's fine. I'd be most willing to put my life on the line so others don't have to...it wouldn't be the first time I've done it.

Jorn is entitled to his opinion...like everyone else is. As long as he knows those that fought and died for is freedoms, that's all that matters...

Are you really showing a picture of the graves of fallen soldiers, are you saying they should die for the film maker right of freedom of speech?
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I don't disagree with what you're saying, but what came to mind while reading it is that we could easily have a new Bin Laden to start looking for. If THAT happens, I guess our military will be over there ANOTHER ten years.

If another 10 years is what it takes to quell these issues then let it be another 10 years. We should have done what's needed back 40 years ago and the world may not be in the situation that we are currently in. Would you give another 10 years for a 100 years of ? If the Islamic Extremists are not stopped now, what do you think the world will look like 5, 10, 15 or whatever years down the road. Europe is projected to be a Muslim dominated domain (caliphate) around the middle of this century if current birth rates and immigration continue. If the moderates are not able to apply pressure to stop this nonsense now, what do you think the Extremists will do when they have control of power there. I am not anti Muslim just anti religious extremism. The Islamic Extremism has been present for a very long time....the Muslim jihad is seen by radical Muslims as an unlimited religious obligation that will continue until all the world has either adopted the Muslim faith or submitted to Muslim rule. The object of jihad is to bring the entire world under Islamic law. No holds barred world domination through submission or death with justification of their ideology being that the Koran provides their instruction through the laws of their prophet.

Look back as far as to the beginning of the United States when it was involved in the First Barbary War. Justification of the pirates to capture American merchant ships and sailors was that, from the Ambassador of Tripoli "it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslims) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise"....Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdrahaman as he told to Thomas Jefforson and John Adams in 1786.

It goes back centuries before 1786 but that was just mentioned to correlate with US history. Some historians point as far back as 11th century as to when Islamic extremist based terrorism started. Some will say, well the Christians had their Crusades....same feeling on that from my end to.....it is, was and always will be wrong in my book.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:10 PM
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Are you really showing a picture of the graves of fallen soldiers, are you saying they should die for the film maker right of freedom of speech?
These men died for everyone's freedoms...yours included.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:13 PM
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