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Old 09-12-2012, 04:17 PM
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These men died for everyone's freedoms...yours included.
I know and I'm extremely grateful for that, but that's not the point.

Are you willing to die for the filmakers right to make this movie, even that you are aware that they made this film to infuriate people of another religion with all the consequences that came with it?

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Old 09-12-2012, 04:28 PM
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I know and I'm extremely grateful for that, but that's not the point.

Are you willing to die for the filmakers right to make this movie, even that you are aware that they made this film to infuriate people of another religion with all the consequences that came with it?

Would I put my life on the line for this idiot...yes, I would. Why? For the freedoms of the nation as a whole.

Reagan said it best...
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:32 PM
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Or, as Franklin put it...

“They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:38 PM
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Would I put my life on the line for this idiot...yes, I would. Why? For the freedoms of the nation as a whole.

Reagan said it best...
“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same, or one day we will spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it was once like in the United States where men were free.”
That's very generous of you. But it's interesting that you quote a politician; do you think he would die for you? Politicians, Queens and Kings say those beautiful lines so the common men like us are willing to die for their cause.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:45 PM
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That's very generous of you. But it's interesting that you quote a politician; do you think he would die for you? Politicians, Queens and Kings say those beautiful lines so the common men like us are willing to die for their cause.
Without a populace willing to die for this country, where would this country be? We'd be bowing to a Queen or King instead of having this conversation.
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Old 09-12-2012, 04:55 PM
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Are you willing to die for the filmakers right to make this movie
Well, where will you be willing to draw the line and stick to it? If you back down to their demands on "this one case", will there be another "this one case" tomorrow and the day after? I think so. So, where will you draw the line and stick to it if you are going to keep shifting it every time someone gets pissed?
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Without a populace willing to die for this country, where would this country be? We'd be bowing to a Queen or King instead of having this conversation.
But that is it. You are NOT dying for your country or his rights. You are doing it for yours. If he doesn't have those rights, are you sure you will when someone else takes offense at something you are doing?
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:02 PM
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Well, where will you be willing to draw the line and stick to it? If you back down to their demands on "this one case", will there be another "this one case" tomorrow and the day after? I think so. So, where will you draw the line and stick to it if you are going to keep shifting it every time someone gets pissed?
I don't know, when they stand infront of my door(?). How do I know, I'm just a simpel guy in Los Angeles that loves cars and making movies...

But reading more about it; the attack in Libya looks to be a coordinated attack on 9/11 and the movie is only used as an excuus. If that's true we have at least something to bomb.

Fox news.
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It is my understanding that the response from Obama you are quoting was made prior to the attack that killed the ambassador.
Don't confuse the chicken hawks or the Romney campaign with clear facts.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:16 PM
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From the afternoon reports it looks like it's far from over, just beginning in fact. It's not even October yet.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:20 PM
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I don't know, when they stand infront of my door(?). How do I know, I'm just a simpel guy in Los Angeles that loves cars and making movies...
Assuming there is enough population at that time to stand with you, sure. OTOH, they could also say the same thing as you. "WGAS about Jorn. They are not at MY door yet.".
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:28 PM
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In this country our freedom of speech is not unlimited. The classic example is yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.

Isn't this movie being released in the middle east pretty close to that example?

I'm questioning anyone dying for that film makers "freedom of speech".
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:50 PM
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In this country our freedom of speech is not unlimited. The classic example is yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.

Isn't this movie being released in the middle east pretty close to that example?

I'm questioning anyone dying for that film makers "freedom of speech".
What's next...limiting the ability to speak out against our own government??



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Sarah Palin urges Obama to grow a 'big stick' - The Hill's Twitter Room
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Old 09-12-2012, 06:14 PM
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In this country our freedom of speech is not unlimited. The classic example is yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.

Isn't this movie being released in the middle east pretty close to that example?

I'm questioning anyone dying for that film makers "freedom of speech".
Last checked, our Constitution does not extend beyond our shores or our folks. Have we turned Iraq, Afghanistan to glass because they were outraged over some books being burned? Was book burning the reason we invaded Europe, but not certain southern states?
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Old 09-12-2012, 06:34 PM
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In this country our freedom of speech is not unlimited. The classic example is yelling FIRE in a crowded theater.

Isn't this movie being released in the middle east pretty close to that example?

I'm questioning anyone dying for that film makers "freedom of speech".
I think you're right, doubt anyone here would die for an American communist or a muslims freedom of speech.

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