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Old 12-07-2012, 05:05 PM
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And I wish my tax money wasn't spent on unnecessary wars and propping up tinhorn dictators around the world.
Yeppers, we have our own tinhorn dick-tater in Washington who needs proping up.

Let them furriners prop up their own dick-taters ......

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Old 12-07-2012, 05:14 PM
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Eh, its been legal-ish in California for a quite some time now.


Quite a few of my friends light up daily, and a few of them have been blazing for 10+ years.


Hell, a few of them are engineers, programmers, and managers.
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:50 PM
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And I wish my tax money wasn't spent on unnecessary wars and propping up tinhorn dictators around the world.
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And the guys that approve this won't let me grow a god given (for you religious folks) plant that will grow like a weed with a little water and sunlight.

I am thankful that I live in a country where folks that are religious don't dictate the laws that tell me how to live my life. Been there, done that (Saudi Arabia) and it is not what it is made out to be.

Thank goodness that the destruction that Anslinger and Nixon caused to the youth of America is finally starting to be undone.

Anslinger

Not sure if everyone remembers but Nixon was so crooked that he should have been executed by a firing squad and he started us down this path of the unwinnable "war on drugs". Anslinger was just as screwed up, just during an earlier time.

As I have mentioned before allowing weed to be grown legally would do so much for the southern states economies, a lot more so that the incarceration industry that is currently in place. In addition, did ya'll know that in the US years ago it was against the law NOT to grow it?

I'd be more concerned about the health cost of the obese than some working joe relaxing with a blunt. The wife tells me all the time about the 300 - 400 pound patients that come in the hospital that are on the dole because they are unable to work and be productive citizens because of their weight. Most of them are in their 30's and 40's I guess because thankfully, it eventually kills them off. I do not see the government trying to outlaw obesity though. Well maybe in spdrun's fair city where they outlawed the large soda - LOL. For the most part I can only surmise it has something to do with the junk food lobbiest. With that said have any of ya'll ever seen an overweight Taliban?
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Old 12-07-2012, 07:53 PM
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So, will I have as much right to object over "second hand smoke" from someone smoking a joint in my vicinity, as they would if I lit up a cigar?
Yes, my right to smoke pot ends at your right not to breathe pot smoke.
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Or am I going to be told to STFU because "it isn't tobacco, it's pot, and it's good for you"?
Yes, STFU because it is pot and not tobacco. Tobacco is bad, no doubt about it, but studies attempting to prove cannabis use causes lung cancer have all failed, and the results support the opposite conclusion. Back in the "This is your brain on drugs" days they attempted to prove cannabis's harms by testing on Rhesus monkeys. When they couldn't they literally asphyxiated the test monkeys with hundreds of times the normal dosage of cannabis smoke. The resultant oxygen deprivation induced brain damage was their "proof".
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My sister is 36, has been smoking pot since junior high, and has been told her lungs are in worse shape than a 60 year old chain smoker.
Do you have proof that cannabis smoking caused the damage? Does she smoke tobacco? It will more than negate any benefit of cannabis. Could there be another factor? For example people that clean obsessively can have severe lung damage from constant exposure to areosol chemical cleaners.
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But hey, just like tobacco, we can tax the crap out of it and make a ton of money, so let's go for it.
Exactly. People are going to use cannabis. Generations of prohibition have failed to prevent it. Black market pricing has failed to prevent it. Advertizing campaigns with lies about its harms have failed to prevent it.

Cannabis prohibition is nothing more than a Mexican drug cartel subsidy. People have had enough and made their voices heard.
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Old 12-07-2012, 08:15 PM
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Yeah, I bet the American Lung Association is doing handsprings over this one.

So, will I have as much right to object over "second hand smoke" from someone smoking a joint in my vicinity, as they would if I lit up a cigar?

Or am I going to be told to STFU because "it isn't tobacco, it's pot, and it's good for you"?

My sister is 36, has been smoking pot since junior high, and has been told her lungs are in worse shape than a 60 year old chain smoker.

But hey, just like tobacco, we can tax the crap out of it and make a ton of money, so let's go for it.
I would imagine that the pot smokers will have to follow all the same rules as the cig smokers.

Buy your sister a vaporizer. Money well spent for heavy smokers. I first saw one when a friend was given one by his doctor.
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Smoking tobacco is bad, however, smoking marijuana is good. What a topsy turvy Country we live in.

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I'm sure glad you are back Joe.
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Thanks, Jim. Glad to be back.
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Smoking tobacco is bad, however, smoking marijuana is good. What a topsy turvy Country we live in.

Try smoking a pack of joints a day.
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Ok - you can smoke in Washington state.

What about the source of the smoke. Is he/she free to sell to the now very happy consumer(s).
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:31 PM
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Smoking tobacco is bad, however, smoking marijuana is good. What a topsy turvy Country we live in.

Both are now legal in WA state. Yay for freedom of choice!
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Old 12-07-2012, 10:56 PM
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Do we really want our rights and freedoms to be based on a cost benefit basis? If pot has an increased health cost associated with it then the insurance companies can charge a premium for coverage.

It is not the governments job to asses a cost to freedoms. If Nicotine and alcohol is OK, then so is pot. I do not think the COTUS allow you to have it both ways.
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dont forget the most widely abused drug: caffeine.if it was banned tomorrow.this country would wither up and die.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:45 AM
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Do we really want our rights and freedoms to be based on a cost benefit basis? If pot has an increased health cost associated with it then the insurance companies can charge a premium for coverage.

It is not the governments job to asses a cost to freedoms. If Nicotine and alcohol is OK, then so is pot. I do not think the COTUS allow you to have it both ways.
The .gov has gone along with tobacco because they greatly profit from it, even with full knowledge of the damages it causes. This is perhaps the greatest single example of the government colluding with business to the detriment of the consumer and the public in general. The trend has continued for over 100 years because they (the tobacco sellers, growers, and the .gov) all make a lot of money.

Smoking is very bad. The ideal way to consume MJ is by way of cannabis-infused edibles or “medibles” as they are sometimes called. Not as efficient of a delivery mechanism as smoking but much healthier.

A vaporizer works very well also but it’s still bad for the lungs, albeit not as bad.

What is most interesting about this revolutionary change is that a stigma and cult of secrecy that has existed for the lives of everyone who reads this is gone in both WA and CO.

The WA state .gov is setting up a distribution system with a 1 year finish date. The State of WA recently changed the law so that liquor is sold in grocery stores, instead of state run stores. I expect locals will be able to buy MJ every place that sells booze.

Meanwhile, the major drug dealers of the country - the pharmaceutical and tobacco industries - are already gearing up to offer products for this new consumer market. Another case where the corporation pushes the mafia out of town.

I have to wonder how much LEO and attorney time will be redirected because of the comparative drop in MJ related law trafficking.
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Old 12-08-2012, 11:47 AM
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dont forget the most widely abused drug: caffeine.if it was banned tomorrow.this country would wither up and die.
Not die but have a POUNDING headache.

Ironically WA is also home to the biggest coffee distributors on the planet.

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