WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Mark Rapier · #1 12-14-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Graplr

If no person were allowed to legally purchase a handgun/assault rifle, it sure as hell would have been a lot harder for him to steal one.

I'm on the fence on this one but definitely wouldn't mind having an open discussion about the positives about gun restrictions. I own a rifle, a shotgun and a bow and arrow. My favorite to hunt with is the bow. I have no desire to own a handgun or assault rifle. I think there needs to be a long hard discussion on this subject.

Obviously the person is to blame, not the gun. I don't have the answers but I do think it is time to start the discussion to find a solution.

Japan has some of the toughest restrictions on guns in the world. Here is a quote- "In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone."
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic

On the other hand:

"In 2009, the number of suicides rose 2 percent to 32,845 exceeding 30,000 for the twelfth straight year and equating to nearly 26 suicides per 100,000 people.

This amounts to approximately one suicide every 15 minutes. In comparison, the UK rate is about 9 per 100,000, and the US rate around 11 per 100,000"

Suicide in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Graplr · #2 12-14-2012, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Rapier

On the other hand:

"In 2009, the number of suicides rose 2 percent to 32,845 exceeding 30,000 for the twelfth straight year and equating to nearly 26 suicides per 100,000 people.

This amounts to approximately one suicide every 15 minutes. In comparison, the UK rate is about 9 per 100,000, and the US rate around 11 per 100,000"

Suicide in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So you are saying that if we had tougher gun regulation in the US, the suicide rate would go up?

BTW, I didn't say gun control was the answer. But definitely should be explored and discussed.

barry12345 · #3 12-14-2012, 06:05 PM

Copycat kind of thing I wonder? Media diseminates the news in such a way they may almost popularise some behaviours. Self elimination or suicide is not allowed to be reported in the news as such .It was proven or is known incidents increase as a direct result of the reporting.

He could have shot his mother at home. Hard to find any rationality in these things. Part of it may also be cultural.

There have been enough of this type of incident that armed guards at schools could become mandated further increasing educational costs. There is no sound way to weed out disturbed self centred people.

In Canada if I owned the guns he stole. Deep trouble might await me. Like real prison time. That is unless they were proven to have been really secure including trigger locks. Plus locked up in a pretty substantial containment device. I am not sure even if the amunition could be kept in the same place.

Shooting people with a gun is an extension of personal power in some ways. Most other methology requires a more personal involvement so is not as frequent in my opinion.

Without effective armed guards and locked down schools these issues will continue. Locked down schools are in themselves not safe enough. If I am unbalanced enough to want to get at kids and/or teachers in a locked down school it is not that hard to force an enterance with a vehicle. So you have to have the dedicated armed guards as well. Otherwise it is just a matter of time.

Everytime I hear of one of these occurances or simular I think what a tradgedy for those families and communities involved. Plus what a shame some people are oriented to commit things of this nature. It is also obvious it will happen again as no action has really been made to stop it happening. When and where it will are the only current unknowns.