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Old 12-14-2012, 04:01 PM
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Why is it that we seem to blame the inanimate object? The gun, the SUV etc.

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Old 12-14-2012, 04:14 PM
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Why is it that we seem to blame the inanimate object? The gun, the SUV etc.
That is because these inanimate objects kill people. As do bullets, dynamite, bazookas, agent orange, arsenic, nukes, and yes knives.

The difference being, SUVs are not designed to kill, so while they can (and certainly do), the other objects are made for the sole purpose of killing/destruction.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:17 PM
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Well, I am a believer in the right to bear arms but I also think we have a bit too free a situation now with the easy access from gun shows, etc.

I think we are going to have to have locked down schools with metal detectors to get in.

How did this guy get in?

My mrs's school is locked down all day. The lady at the desk has to buzz you in.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:23 PM
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Well, I am a believer in the right to bear arms but I also think we have a bit too free a situation now with the easy access from gun shows, etc.

I think we are going to have to have locked down schools with metal detectors to get in.

How did this guy get in?

My mrs's school is locked down all day. The lady at the desk has to buzz you in.
Shooter's Mom was a teacher at the school.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:37 PM
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Yes its a tradgedy.

We live in a country where it is easy to get a gun legal or other wise. We live in a country where violence seems to be acceptable form of problem resolution. Yes this situation suck but why are people surprised?

Guns are acessable. Keep it the way it is and this is what you get. I do not hear anyone on the gun rights side coming up with any solutions.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:50 PM
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Why is it that we seem to blame the inanimate object? The gun, the SUV etc.
That's overly simplistic. I suppose one could say that it's People, with Guns, that have Bullets, that are especially efficient at killing others.

So far, no one is discounting or dismissing the "shooter" but at the same time, no one should be discounting or dismissing the mechanism.
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Old 12-14-2012, 04:52 PM
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Yes its a tradgedy.

We live in a country where it is easy to get a gun legal or other wise. We live in a country where violence seems to be acceptable form of problem resolution. Yes this situation suck but why are people surprised?

Guns are acessable. Keep it the way it is and this is what you get. I do not hear anyone on the gun rights side coming up with any solutions.
The 2nd amendment outdated and for too long the gun industry has used it as an argument to protect gun sales. Private militias are relics of the 19th century; we live in a democracy that is more than capable of defending itself from foreign invaders. Avid hunters don’t need an assault rifle to bring down a buck. I own a gun, but I’d be more than happy to give it up and live in a society where no one but law enforcement is entitled to guns.

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Crazy people out their, I just wish they would off themselves instead of doing such horrible things.

Still I hope this incident isn't used as political leverage by certain groups that want to curtail my rights.
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And people have called Christians barbaric for believing that man is utterly depraved apart from the Grace of God.

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Old 12-14-2012, 05:10 PM
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Well, I am a believer in the right to bear arms but I also think we have a bit too free a situation now with the easy access from gun shows, etc.

I think we are going to have to have locked down schools with metal detectors to get in.

How did this guy get in?

My mrs's school is locked down all day. The lady at the desk has to buzz you in.
The murderer stole the guns...no amount of regulation is going to fix that.

According to LIVE UPDATES: Newtown, Conn., School Shooting - ABC News , the murderer has some mental issues, but it's still developing as the information comes available.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:12 PM
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Crazy people out their, I just wish they would off themselves instead of doing such horrible things.

Still I hope this incident isn't used as political leverage by certain groups that want to curtail my rights.
It will. They'll call for an assault weapons ban...which is odd, because there's already one in place in CT.
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The 2nd amendment outdated and for too long the gun industry has used it as an argument to protect gun sales. Private militias are relics of the 19th century; we live in a democracy that is more than capable of defending itself from foreign invaders. Avid hunters don’t need an assault rifle to bring down a buck. I own a gun, but I’d be more than happy to give it up and live in a society where no one but law enforcement is entitled to guns.

Sounds like Australia or Great Britain are places that have laws to your liking, all you would have to do is emigrate and you'd have exactly what you want, and the people who are unwilling to surrender their Constitutionally guaranteed natural right to protect and preserve their life can have what they want.
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The 2nd amendment outdated and for too long the gun industry has used it as an argument to protect gun sales. Private militias are relics of the 19th century; we live in a democracy that is more than capable of defending itself from foreign invaders. Avid hunters don’t need an assault rifle to bring down a buck. I own a gun, but I’d be more than happy to give it up and live in a society where no one but law enforcement is entitled to guns.
You're far too trusting.
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Old 12-14-2012, 05:29 PM
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The murderer stole the guns...no amount of regulation is going to fix that.

According to LIVE UPDATES: Newtown, Conn., School Shooting - ABC News , the murderer has some mental issues, but it's still developing as the information comes available.
If no person were allowed to legally purchase a handgun/assault rifle, it sure as hell would have been a lot harder for him to steal one.

I'm on the fence on this one but definitely wouldn't mind having an open discussion about the positives about gun restrictions. I own a rifle, a shotgun and a bow and arrow. My favorite to hunt with is the bow. I have no desire to own a handgun or assault rifle. I think there needs to be a long hard discussion on this subject.

Obviously the person is to blame, not the gun. I don't have the answers but I do think it is time to start the discussion to find a solution.

Japan has some of the toughest restrictions on guns in the world. Here is a quote- "In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone."
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic
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If no person were allowed to legally purchase a handgun/assault rifle, it sure as hell would have been a lot harder for him to steal one.

I'm on the fence on this one but definitely wouldn't mind having an open discussion about the positives about gun restrictions. I own a rifle, a shotgun and a bow and arrow. My favorite to hunt with is the bow. I have no desire to own a handgun or assault rifle. I think there needs to be a long hard discussion on this subject.

Obviously the person is to blame, not the gun. I don't have the answers but I do think it is time to start the discussion to find a solution.

Japan has some of the toughest restrictions on guns in the world. Here is a quote- "In 2008, the U.S. had over 12 thousand firearm-related homicides. All of Japan experienced only 11, fewer than were killed at the Aurora shooting alone."
A Land Without Guns: How Japan Has Virtually Eliminated Shooting Deaths - Max Fisher - The Atlantic
On the other hand:

"In 2009, the number of suicides rose 2 percent to 32,845 exceeding 30,000 for the twelfth straight year and equating to nearly 26 suicides per 100,000 people.

This amounts to approximately one suicide every 15 minutes. In comparison, the UK rate is about 9 per 100,000, and the US rate around 11 per 100,000"

Suicide in Japan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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