With that thinking, we should also ban the automobile...32,000 died in automobile related deaths in 2011

2011 traffic deaths a record low | Reuters


You can't compare US deaths with Japan's deaths...two different societies. The kids here aren't taught to respect each other or their elders like they are in Japan.

You can't compare either country...they have 127M people compared to our 311M people.

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So you are saying that if we had tougher gun regulation in the US, the suicide rate would go up?

BTW, I didn't say gun control was the answer. But definitely should be explored and discussed.

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JP, you are barking up the wrong tree here. A car is not designed to kill things. A gun is. People don't drive a car with an intent to kill another person. When a person loads a gun, points it at another human and pulls the trigger they intend to kill that person.
You are right. 12,000 to 311 million is no comparison to 11 to 127 million in a country the size of Montana.
BTW, I didn't say this was the answer, just something to think about as you are correct that we are two very different countries.


I take it you are 100% against regulating guns in any fashion at all?

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Copycat kind of thing I wonder? Media diseminates the news in such a way they may almost popularise some behaviours. Self elimination or suicide is not allowed to be reported in the news as such .It was proven or is known incidents increase as a direct result of the reporting.

He could have shot his mother at home. Hard to find any rationality in these things. Part of it may also be cultural.

There have been enough of this type of incident that armed guards at schools could become mandated further increasing educational costs. There is no sound way to weed out disturbed self centred people.

In Canada if I owned the guns he stole. Deep trouble might await me. Like real prison time. That is unless they were proven to have been really secure including trigger locks. Plus locked up in a pretty substantial containment device. I am not sure even if the amunition could be kept in the same place.

Shooting people with a gun is an extension of personal power in some ways. Most other methology requires a more personal involvement so is not as frequent in my opinion.

Without effective armed guards and locked down schools these issues will continue. Locked down schools are in themselves not safe enough. If I am unbalanced enough to want to get at kids and/or teachers in a locked down school it is not that hard to force an enterance with a vehicle. So you have to have the dedicated armed guards as well. Otherwise it is just a matter of time.

Everytime I hear of one of these occurances or simular I think what a tradgedy for those families and communities involved. Plus what a shame some people are oriented to commit things of this nature. It is also obvious it will happen again as no action has really been made to stop it happening. When and where it will are the only current unknowns.

Im sorry. Did this guy accident shoot 27 people or don't intentionally. To equate accidental car death with intentionally homicide seems a bit disingenious.

The effort could be made to sister an track guns much more efficiently but we choose not to. Stop being surprised when people get murdered. Hopefully it want happen to someone e know or close to us. Willing to bet if it does that person will change their POT on gun ownership. Im betting and gun rights folks who just lost a kid are reconsidering.

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A simple google search found many cases of people driving a car with the sole intent on running someone down in cold blood...it's just like a loaded weapon.

As for my stance on gun control, quit blaming the weapon, learn to blame the idiot who uses them illegally. I live within the confines of the law, and the law keeps changing because there are those that refuse to live as we should. Changing the current laws would do nothing, especially in this case. The guy is a mentally ill 20 year old. According to CT law, it's against the law for anyone under the age of 21 to possess a handgun.

One report claims that a .223 caliber rifle was used...most people think of assault weapons when they think of .223. If it was an assault weapon, those are also banned in CT.

How's those gun laws working for ya?

The nutjob killed his parents, then killed the kids...NOT THE GUN. The gun is an inanimate object. If they were killed with rocks, would you be saying that we need to discuss rock control laws?

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Sure, my views on this topic are partial; however, I should qualify my earlier statement. I am specifically referring to assault style / military grade weapons in the hands of regular people. I live in CA and I’m just fine with the assault rifle ban. Does it stop the true criminals from procuring them? No. However, it’s time people give this topic some serious thought.

All of our schools are locked and everyone needs to be buzzed in. With the POS's mom being a teacher, it may very well have been let in (if so, I can't imagine the guilt the poor person who let it in must be feeling).

That said, for someone hellbent on committing similar atrocities at a school, there's nothing to keep them from shooting the glass out of a door or window to gain access.

I delayed going to our Christmas party to pick up my two youngest boys. Easily twice as many parents picking up today compared to usual. A police officer was at the school all day today.

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Exactly how would blaming the idiot in CT have prevented the cold blooded murder of 27 people?

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If you wish to compare guns to cars, how about we also compare them to nukes? Nukes are an inanimate object too – yet the entire western world agrees the world should adhere to the non-proliferation treaty. Using your logic, Iran, as a sovereign nation should be allowed to exercise their right and develop a nuke. Just like on an individual level, you are allowed to possess your gun. After all, its not the nuke that’s gonna potentially kill people, right?

how about hiring an armed security guard to be on duty at the school?

Schools are "gun free zones".

I guess that's another law that the murdering punk ignored...

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That is the key here (in my eyes anyway). Singular, not plural. And the person chasing someone with a car is looking to kill someone that they believe did them wrong, not mass amounts of innocent bystanders before they take their own life. Killing mass amounts of people in short order then killing yourself is the issue here. I doubt many of those stories you are referring to the person was trying to kill a mass amount of random people and then have the intent of killing themselves. You are comparing two very different scenarios. We are talking about numerous times a lone (or two) gunman has killed mass amounts of bystanders to go out in style. That is the situation we are talking about. We are not talking about any other incidents where a person tries to do harm to another.
Go back and read my original post #44. I clearly said I blame the killer not the weapon.
Again, I clearly stated the shooter killed the people so throw that argument out the window please.
Ludacrous statement. You seriously think he could have killed 27 people with a rock? I don't recall hearing multiple stories of people killing mass amounts of people in the past few decades with a rock.

Obviously if someone wants to kill someone they will find a way. Like I stated earlier, I'm on the fence but you are saying that you are refusing to even have a discussion about it.



In all seriousness, from someone that is so against gun control. What is your reasoning against it? (Please say something other than government controlling you)

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Felt sick when I heard this news. Amazing to me that these discussions always turn into political gun control debates. Truth is that sick people are sick and he probably would have found another way to do the same thing, like a fire or bomb or something. The rock argument is noy the way to argue that though since its unrealistic so it doesn't really illustrate a point. Either way if any questions are raised it should be about identifying mentally Ill individuals rather than taking away their boomsticks.

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Awful situation.

Maybe we need to be waging a "war on mentally ill ppl" instead of the Taliban?

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