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Old 12-14-2012, 06:55 PM
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Awful situation.

Maybe we need to be waging a "war on mentally ill ppl" instead of the Taliban?
We have more problems at home that need fixing than those overseas IMO.

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Old 12-14-2012, 06:59 PM
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If they were killed with rocks, would you be saying that we need to discuss rock control laws?
The more I think about it, yes I would. If in the past 15 years, there had been a multitude of incidents where one or two people killed mass amounts of people in short order for little or no reason in public manner with the intention of killing themselves at the end with rocks, then yes I would feel a need to discuss rock control laws.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:08 PM
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News just said he used two handguns that he had gotten from his mother.
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Felt sick when I heard this news. Amazing to me that these discussions always turn into political gun control debates. Truth is that sick people are sick and he probably would have found another way to do the same thing, like a fire or bomb or something. The rock argument is noy the way to argue that though since its unrealistic so it doesn't really illustrate a point. Either way if any questions are raised it should be about identifying mentally Ill individuals rather than taking away their boomsticks.
If it were a single instance, than I see your point. But the fact that the same thing keeps playing out over and over again brings the issue to the forefront.

The fact is, in these situations people used guns to kill mass amounts of people easily. Making a firebomb (or something else) to randomly kill mass amounts of people would not be as simple as doing it with a gun.
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I think diesel fuel and fertilizer would be the way to go if someone wanted to take out a lot of ppl. Don't forget how effective a jet airplane flown into the side of a building is too.
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If it were a single instance, than I see your point. But the fact that the same thing keeps playing out over and over again brings the issue to the forefront.

The fact is, in these situations people used guns to kill mass amounts of people easily. Making a firebomb (or something else) to randomly kill mass amounts of people would not be as simple as doing it with a gun.
I actually support gun control laws (although I think it's too little too late in the U.S.) but my point is more that there are sick people and thy will stop at nothing to inflict harm. The focus should be more towards identification and treatment of these conditions rather than trying to "treat" the means. Attack the root cause and not the method. Of course either way this is idealist talk.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:22 PM
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Engatwork has a good point.
In fact the same had occurred to me. What if the guy had used a fertilizer bomb or a suicide vest??

People with mental and anti-social problems will resort to most anything in order to act out their 'psycho-drama'.

Therefore, the hypothesis that if guns in general were not available, then its valid to consider that other vehicles can and would be used for acting out such destructive 'psycho-dramas' at whatever scale.

It's all findable on the 'web'

What I see sadly happening from this sad incident is that politicians and political interest groups will begin to fault firearms as an expedient salve and AGAIN neglect the true underlying social problems that pressure and trigger mentally disturbed people.

Consider that these same 'concerned' political groups and bodies, will not raise a finger against the 'entertainment industry' which sets the stage for violent dramas and glamorizes illegal firearm use.

Why? most likely because they funnel too much money to their friends in order to 'write a new script' for USA, the MOVIE.

Poor children. Very SAD. Also the afflicted families....
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First half, I agree with. But it might also be worth making it more difficult in order to discourage such violent means. Perhaps availability of firearms is a catalyst for their use. Idk much about the subject, but it makes sense to me. I still think the weapons should not be our focus.
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Strange times we live in. Enough to make you want to conceal carry sometimes.
That in itself would go a long way.
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:46 PM
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News just said he used two handguns that he had gotten from his mother.
I'm sure they'll report a different gun in an hour...it's changed so much through the news today, gathering the facts is like trying to nail Jello to a tree in GA in August.

Regardless...The guy was nuts. He was going to kill people with or without firearms. I don't think much mattered to him in his head.

More gun control wouldn't have helped here...CT has enough restrictive laws as it is, more of the same does nothing, but put more money in lawyer's hands.
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I wasn't going to say anything but that changed.

Would you really feel better about it if he had driven a bulldozer through the school?

This is a horrible thing to have happen but I bet just as many kids have gotten killed on the hiways in the last few weeks. You want to ban cars? At least you could drive like you want EVERYONE to get home safe EVERYDAY. Not gonna happen with too many people. Are they mentally ill? Should we execute wreckless drivers to save innocent lives?

Without guns there are still too many options. In fact Hollywood is implicated strongly because actually there are much better? options but people do what they see on the tube.
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Felt sick when I heard this news. Amazing to me that these discussions always turn into political gun control debates. Truth is that sick people are sick and he probably would have found another way to do the same thing, like a fire or bomb or something. The rock argument is noy the way to argue that though since its unrealistic so it doesn't really illustrate a point. Either way if any questions are raised it should be about identifying mentally Ill individuals rather than taking away their boomsticks.
All due reaspect but Im willing to give that a try. lets see how people will do mass murders with out a gun. Takes more experience and effort to me and deliver a bomb. Fires take time to set and get going. A gun is a highly efficient and very clean way of completing the task.This political because laws are how we s a society deal with things.

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First half, I agree with. But it might also be worth making it more difficult in order to discourage such violent means. Perhaps availability of firearms is a catalyst for their use. Idk much about the subject, but it makes sense to me. I still think the weapons should not be our focus.
Number of guns per capita by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Interestingly, gun ownership rates in many European countries are 40-50% those of the US (though perhaps fewer households own more guns). Yet gun violence is much less common there.
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Old 12-14-2012, 09:11 PM
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All due reaspect but Im willing to give that a try. lets see how people will do mass murders with out a gun. Takes more experience and effort to me and deliver a bomb. Fires take time to set and get going. A gun is a highly efficient and very clean way of completing the task.This political because laws are how we s a society deal with things.

It is what it is.
Home made poisonous gas wouldn't be that hard. Guns may be easier, but take away the guns, and violent, malevolent people will switch to other means of mass murder.

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