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Old 12-16-2012, 01:03 PM
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That's news to me. All I've heard is that he had some mental health issues in the past yet no criminal record or anything. FWIW schizophrenia often surfaces around that age with no precursors. Please expound on "obvious warning signs abound" because everything I've heard has been that this guy just come out of left field with it. Ultimately I agree on the point though, the mental health awareness and identification should be a primary focus here, not guns and liberal commies.
Reports like this one

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2248782/Adam-Lanza-How-classmates-remember-genius-turned-heartless-killer.html

No criminal records though.

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Sounds as though Peter's wife is aware of the simple fact that just about the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.
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Old 12-16-2012, 01:15 PM
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the only thing that will stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun.
Sadly, you are absolutely correct. Any other response is the typical reaction without substance.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:30 PM
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Sadly, you are absolutely correct. Any other response is the typical reaction without substance.
We can't try and prevent the guy from getting the gun the first place?
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:31 PM
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We can't try and prevent the guy from getting the gun the first place?
We did...there are reports from NBC that claim he tried to get a rifle at a Dick's Sporting Goods store three days prior to the shooting, but was turned away. He was turned away because he refused to follow the mandatory waiting period or undergo a background check.

Don't you understand?? Gun control laws only work with the lawful, not the outlaws. Enacting more stringent laws would only succeed in creating more lawbreakers out of normally lawful gun owners.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:53 PM
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Sadly sometimes horrible things happen to good and innocent people. More sadly their is no way to really prevent it from ever happening again.

If a DB wants to do damage to innocents, they can be amazingly creative.

In this case it sounds like CT's existing firearm laws worked fine, they prevented him from legally having a firearm. He had to steal and in the process kill his mother to arm himself.

Failing that he could have just made a trip to Bridgeport, Hartford, or New Haven and bought a weapon.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:59 PM
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We did...there are reports from NBC that claim he tried to get a rifle at a Dick's Sporting Goods store three days prior to the shooting, but was turned away. He was turned away because he refused to follow the mandatory waiting period or undergo a background check.

Don't you understand?? Gun control laws only work with the lawful, not the outlaws. Enacting more stringent laws would only succeed in creating more lawbreakers out of normally lawful gun owners.
There will always be exceptions. Perhaps if the guns were locked up he would not have gained access to them. Perhaps if the mother would have faced consequences had it been found out her kid had so issues and she had guns in the house the guns.

No system is perfect. The one we have obviously is not. You have yet to present any ideas of your own to help deal with the issue.
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"Thanks for bringing up the knife incident in China. It is a perfect comparison to the slaughter in the Connecticut. NONE of the children in China died. Last time I checked, alive is better than dead. Yes mental illness is an issue, but the proliferation of guns in the US is equally responsible for the deaths of these innocents kids. Knives can kill too but its much, much tougher to kill with a knife than it is with a gun - especially a semi-automatic. Gun control AND better treatment of mental illness both need to be priority in the U.S. Tony - please open your eyes to the issue of the excess of guns in this country. Someday a tragedy like this may affect your family. Maybe then you will feel differently about gun control."
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"Thanks for bringing up the knife incident in China. It is a perfect comparison to the slaughter in the Connecticut. NONE of the children in China died. Last time I checked, alive is better than dead. Yes mental illness is an issue, but the proliferation of guns in the US is equally responsible for the deaths of these innocents kids. Knives can kill too but its much, much tougher to kill with a knife than it is with a gun - especially a semi-automatic. Gun control AND better treatment of mental illness both need to be priority in the U.S. Tony - please open your eyes to the issue of the excess of guns in this country. Someday a tragedy like this may affect your family. Maybe then you will feel differently about gun control."
BS!! A knife is much more easily concealed than a gun, and much smaller as well. With little training, anyone can become a mass murderer with any thing; rocks, chemicals, explosives, knives, vehicles, guns...they are all deadly.
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BS!! A knife is much more easily concealed than a gun, and much smaller as well. With little training, anyone can become a mass murderer with any thing; rocks, chemicals, explosives, knives, vehicles, guns...they are all deadly.
And yet the weapon of choice is almost always a gun. Why is that?
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Probably because it is effective for what it was designed to do.
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Old 12-16-2012, 05:52 PM
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Probably because it is effective for what it was designed to do.
That is my point. are there other ways to kill? Yes, an infinite amount. How ever they're less efficient, more dangerous, less comfortable ( shooting is cleaner in any ways than shoving a knife through someone) and this does not mean we should give up on controlling what we can.
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And yet the weapon of choice is almost always a gun. Why is that?
TV, video games, movies, etc. AND they removed the fairness doctrine and 72 other controls to regulate such. It is working exactly the way our overseers want it to work.
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:56 PM
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BS!! A knife is much more easily concealed than a gun, and much smaller as well. With little training, anyone can become a mass murderer with any thing; rocks, chemicals, explosives, knives, vehicles, guns...they are all deadly.

This may be true; however, your point is exaggerated – mainly because we have yet to hear of a mass killing that involved a killer using rocks and/or knives.

I can understand a serial killer may use any instrument to kill numerous people; however, they are typically not all killed simultaneously at once like a mass shooting. Guns are unique in that a person can kill large amounts of people, indiscriminately and efficiently. More importantly, guns take little to no technical knowledge to be used effectively; where-as, chemicals can dissipate reducing their toxicity, and home manufactured explosives require a higher degree of technical knowledge to implement.
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God can direct a hurricane on New Orleans to punish gay people but can't jam an automatic weapon?
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