WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

cmac2012 · #1 12-17-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

If we strip away pure emotion and get down to analytical logic the deal comes down to this: We cannot control A (nut jobs), however, we can control B (ourselves). If every teacher was armed and well trained in the use of deadly force, they would be in a position to stop the carnage at the point of invasion. Bolt bullet proof desks to the floors of each class room. Install a digital security lock on a desk drawer which houses a high capacity hand gun. Require that teachers attend firearms training monthly. Post the teacher's targets/shooting scores in the front entry of the school.

Why all this? Because it is true, a pussy will seek out a venue where they know no defense will be presented, i.e. a "gun free" zone. These pussies know that in a school, they will face very little opposition. Obviously, we are at war and there is an enemy that MUST be dealt with. Banning guns, limiting the amount of ammunition etc etc. are all band aids.

If these whacko psychotic nut jobs are looking to go out in a blaze of glory, give them what they want, only don't allow them take out innocents in the process.

It all sounds heroic but Lanza's mother had guns so she could protect herself. Statistics show that privately owned weapons are something like 4 times more likely, IIRC, to kill oneself or a family member than an intruder. The odds of any one teacher ever being in a position to use a handgun to protect themselves or their students are slim. Then we have to deal with the fallout when they leave their guns unattended somewhere and one of their students or children get hold of it.

The recent Oregon mall shooting was the first I can recall where a C&C individual actually was in the right place at the right time. Most people don't want to C&C. I don't. That may change but I sorta doubt it.

pj67coll · #2 12-17-2012, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

The recent Oregon mall shooting was the first I can recall where a C&C individual actually was in the right place at the right time. Most people don't want to C&C. I don't. That may change but I sorta doubt it.

No. I'ts happened in at least three other instances I'm aware of. Two overseas. One was that church shooting a couple of years ago here in the states, one was the instance I've mentioned earlier at a school in Germany some years ago now where a perp was shot by an armed teacher and the other I can recall was back in my homeland of SA where a similar incident also happened in a church and the perps were shot by members of the congregation.

- Peter.

TwitchKitty · #3 12-17-2012, 04:03 PM

This thread is intellectually dishonest. The premise that it is time to discuss gun control translates to:

"We all know that the gun control laws have already been written some time ago and we have been waiting for an excellent opportunity like this to ram them down your throat again."

"Discuss" translates to "shut up and listen, we don't give a damn what you think". "We write the laws and you live by them".

davidmash · #4 12-18-2012, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

This thread is intellectually dishonest. The premise that it is time to discuss gun control translates to:

"We all know that the gun control laws have already been written some time ago and we have been waiting for an excellent opportunity like this to ram them down your throat again."

"Discuss" translates to "shut up and listen, we don't give a damn what you think". "We write the laws and you live by them".

As with some other topics with conservatives, you refuse to deal with them until it is too late and then you come out on the loosing end of the stick. Had you dealt with the issue before it hit critical mass perhaps you could have gotten out ahead of the issue.

jplinville · #5 12-17-2012, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

It all sounds heroic but Lanza's mother had guns so she could protect herself. Statistics show that privately owned weapons are something like 4 times more likely, IIRC, to kill oneself or a family member than an intruder. The odds of any one teacher ever being in a position to use a handgun to protect themselves or their students are slim. Then we have to deal with the fallout when they leave their guns unattended somewhere and one of their students or children get hold of it.

The recent Oregon mall shooting was the first I can recall where a C&C individual actually was in the right place at the right time. Most people don't want to C&C. I don't. That may change but I sorta doubt it.

You must have missed one of my earlier posts where I gave a number of instances where things were stopped by someone else with a gun that wasn't a cop.

JB3 · #6 12-17-2012, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

You must have missed one of my earlier posts where I gave a number of instances where things were stopped by someone else with a gun that wasn't a cop.

The circumstances of firearms violence differ significantly between men and women. Compared to a man, a woman is far more likely to be killed by her spouse, an intimate acquaintance, or a family member than murdered by a stranger or an unidentified intruder. A 1976 to 1987 analysis of Federal Bureau of Investigation data revealed that more than twice as many women were shot and killed by their husbands or intimate acquaintances than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.

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http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/domviofs.htm

Botnst · #7 12-17-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

The circumstances of firearms violence differ significantly between men and women. Compared to a man, a woman is far more likely to be killed by her spouse, an intimate acquaintance, or a family member than murdered by a stranger or an unidentified intruder. A 1976 to 1987 analysis of Federal Bureau of Investigation data revealed that more than twice as many women were shot and killed by their husbands or intimate acquaintances than were murdered by strangers using firearms, knives, or any other means.

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http://www.vpc.org/fact_sht/domviofs.htm

Clearly the root-cause is men. They should be registered and controlled.