total restriction on handguns would certainly have an effect on mass shootings.

interesting statistics-

A Guide to Mass Shootings in America | Mother Jones

Most popular mass shooting weapon is the semiautomatic handgun, check out the statistics in the link. Yes, I know it upsets you that we could ban all handguns after the fact, but still, no handguns would force mass shooters to move to a much larger, and much more likely to be detected earlier weapon.
If someone has it in their head to kill a bunch of people with a gun, any time and any place they do it will be a surprise, and it will probably be successful. However, that does not mean that there might not be an improvement in the murder rates of the country as a by product.

I think its ridiculous for you to specify that we can only discuss ways to resolve mass shooting problems. Any legislation would have effect on all firearm crime, not just mass shootings.

quote- "Since 1982, there have been at least 62 mass murders* carried out with firearms across the country, with the killings unfolding in 30 states from Massachusetts to Hawaii. We've mapped them below, including details on the shooters' identities, the types of weapons they used, and the number of victims they injured and killed."

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........thereby rendering anything you do to curtail handguns to be deemed ineffective..........


Of course you do. The reason is that you want to derail the thread to support your position regarding handguns.

For your information, the thread is regarding the shooting in CT. To further refresh your memory, those folks were killed by one deranged man who did not own a handgun, a rifle, or a shotgun.

Next.

No he didn't, and whats your point?

He died with two handguns and a rifle. Whether or not he owned them is preposterously unrelated to the fact that if legislation existed that prevented his MOTHER from owning them, he wouldn't have had the kind of access to such dangerous tools that he actually did have.

Whoever owned the dam things, they were legally owned, as has been the vast majority of weapons used in mass killings. Who cares if the killers themselves actually owned the weapons or not? The law abiding citizens they stole them from would be affected by legislation, which would impact availability.

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Take the thread OT regarding his lack of ownership and ignore everything else.

Bye.

If you want to have an actual discussion, better work on making sense and not formulating silly rules for the discussion.

Demonstrate to me what's off topic about discussing potential laws and how they would affect availability of weapons for potential nuts, when I'm specifically referencing this guys mother.

Ill be back tomorrow to continue this interesting discussion

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Yeah, legislation does a fine job of preventing people from possessing illegal items.

I do not think it is the legislation but the access control to an item. Not a lot of folks with land mines. Not a lot of folks with shoulder launched missiles or RPG's. I do not think that lack of these items has solely to do with laws against owning them as it does that there is limited access to the items in question.

In Texas I can sell a gun to anyone who walks up to me with an ID. Could be a fake ID as I cannot tell the difference. As long as I do not 'know' that the person is going to commit a vilent act or 'know' that the person is a criminal or ex-con .... I can sell the gun. No paper work, no federal back ground check ... nothing. Anything can be illegal but if access to the item is not restricted then the law becomes less effective.

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And what position regarding handguns WOULDNT have an affect on weapon availability for mass shootings?

In what way would you propose that general gun legislation and mass shooting legislation be different? any solution would be one and the same, separating the issues is silly.

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punching in a security code to open a lock box housing a hand gun is a task anyone who has used an ATM card could do. Even a 20 something teacher can do it. grab the gun, point and fire. keep firing until the perp is not breathing. no fuss, no muss.