Those wanting more restrictive gun laws need to know something VERY important to this case, something YOU have quoted more times than I can count in this thread...

The rifle wasn't an AUTOMATIC action rifle...it was a SEMI-AUTOMATIC. You're too damned busy screaming for laws against automatic guns, which have been banned without special licensing since the mid 1930's. The US also has had bans in place on the manufacturing of automatic weapons for public use since the 1980's.

If you're going to say anything more about creating laws for AUTOMATIC weapons, expect to get called a friggin' moron, because it would be proof that you have ABSOLUTELY no idea what the hell you're talking about.

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If your gun is stolen and used in a crime you're going to jail. Works fine for me.

Enforcement is always an issue. That is why we have no gun control because the laws are not enforced or are to weak to begin with.

Out of curiosity, what good is the gun doing under the bed if you are not home? Do you leave your house unlocked when you are not home to?

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Which is why I am against banning weapons and for control of how they are sold, who they are sold to and how they are stored.

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- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

lets see, whos upset and emotional talking about gun control.

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Do I see a connection with personality and need for a security blanket here? Did the firearm replace the blankie? Ask yourself that honestly.

If you read back you won't see me screaming, you see me consistently saying that im sick of this kind of rampage crap, and that im sick of the no discussion, no compromise.

Brian won't talk about it, because he doesn't see the point in talking about things that as he sees it, will never happen. Thats the engineer in him he says. Well, apart from his charming way of getting that across, I can see where hes coming from.

You won't talk about because apparently even the idea of such a thing happening around you, or in your circle of people is completely unbelievable because of your force of personality, despite telling us of a crazy kid in your family 300 miles away, and your home defense guns lying around for anyone in the family to use. You've told us many times about your successful application of tough love, and your impressive use of force and size to make a good family point. On a lot of that stuff, we see eye to eye, but not on this.

You are correct, yes, there is a difference between automatic, and semi-automatic weapons. In some of my responses, I have failed to make that distinction for those of us who are nitpickers on name alone.

Let me be clear. I see absolutely no use for any type of weapon being available to the general public that automatically reloads a new round with each pull of the trigger. I see little difference between the level of danger presented to other people from an automatic rifle, and a semi-automatic rifle. In fact, its my opinion that a semi-automatic rifle is more dangerous because it allows aimed, controlled effective shots apart from a spree of bullets from full auto.

Brilliantly demonstrated by this kid in a class room.

Ive already stated my opinion on handguns. Will my kind of gun control come to pass? certainly not, but discussion is certainly worth having. Id be more than happy with compromise in the form of davidmash's proposals. Will you?

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Your first two points are well taken - not sure how the "storage" part of your wish-list would/could ever be enforced. Already mentioned by someone else upstream.

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So, after nearly 900 posts we have no resolution.

One side wants to just ignore the Constitutional language regarding infringement, admits that laws will not the law-breakers but want "something" to be done. I'd have to call that an emotional response to the tragedy in CT.

The other side is characterized as not caring about the murder of innocents, and needing guns to replace their childhood security blankets.

Intransigence on both sides. Matters of principle on both sides.
How do you construct a compromise between two such parties?

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Another good reason for making a gun save mandatory. Poor people should not have guns anyways, they only use it to distribute the wealth.

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..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.

You've proven to be a person who refuses to see the facts as presented to you. Time and again we show you that the laws in existence today don't make any dent in the gun violence, either because they are not enforced or because they are ignored via illegal weapons.

CT's restrictive handgun laws have done nothing to prevent violence with a weapon. The carnage occured right in CT.

So, just continue onward with your blather regarding more laws and more restrictions on guns. Anyone with an ounce of brain cells knows that it won't make a damn bit of difference in the violence prevalent in society today.

And, yes, talking to you is like talking to a wall...........I think I need my own head examined for continuing with it.

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You go and let the libs pass a few laws to make themselves feel better in the fact that they "did something".

Then we go on as usual.

Nothing to see here.

When does the line cross between calling something an emotional response, and the correct direction we need to move in? Was declaring independence an emotional response? yes. Was it also the correct move? also yes.

food for thought. Im not basing my opinions on a secret statistic of how many people defend themselves against break ins with a firearm and don't report it. Im basing mine on being tired of seeing this-

December 11, 2012. On Tuesday, 22-year-old Jacob Tyler Roberts killed 2 people and himself with a stolen rifle in Clackamas Town Center, Oregon. His motive is unknown.
September 27, 2012. Five were shot to death by 36-year-old Andrew Engeldinger at Accent Signage Systems in Minneapolis, MN. Three others were wounded. Engeldinger went on a rampage after losing his job, ultimately killing himself.
August 5, 2012. Six Sikh temple members were killed when 40-year-old US Army veteran Wade Michael Page opened fire in a gurdwara in Oak Creek, Wisconsin. Four others were injured, and Page killed himself.
July 20, 2012. During the midnight premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, CO, 24-year-old James Holmes killed 12 people and wounded 58. Holmes was arrested outside the theater.
May 29, 2012. Ian Stawicki opened fire on Cafe Racer Espresso in Seattle, WA, killing 5 and himself after a citywide manhunt.
April 6, 2012. Jake England, 19, and Alvin Watts, 32, shot 5 black men in Tulsa, Oklahoma, in racially motivated shooting spree. Three died.
April 2, 2012. A former student, 43-year-old One L. Goh killed 7 people at Oikos University, a Korean Christian college in Oakland, CA. The shooting was the sixth-deadliest school massacre in the US and the deadliest attack on a school since the 2007 Virginia Tech massacre.
February 27, 2012. Three students were killed by Thomas “TJ” Lane, another student, in a rampage at Chardon High School in Chardon, OH. Three others were injured.
October 14, 2011. Eight people died in a shooting at Salon Meritage hair salon in Seal Beach, CA. The gunman, 41-year-old Scott Evans Dekraai, killed six women and two men dead, while just one woman survived. It was Orange County’s deadliest mass killing.
September 6, 2011. Eduardo Sencion, 32, entered an IHOP restaurant in Carson City, NV and shot 12 people. Five died, including three National Guard members.
January 8, 2011. Former Rep. Gabby Giffords (D-AZ) was shot in the head when 22-year-old Jared Loughner opened fire on an event she was holding at a Safeway market in Tucson, AZ. Six people died, including Arizona District Court Chief Judge John Roll, one of Giffords’ staffers, and a 9-year-old girl. 19 total were shot. Loughner has been sentenced to seven life terms plus 140 years, without parole.
August 3, 2010. Omar S. Thornton, 34, gunned down Hartford Beer Distributor in Manchester, CT after getting caught stealing beer. Nine were killed, including Thornton, and two were injured.
November 5, 2009. Forty-three people were shot by Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan at the Fort Hood army base in Texas. Hasan reportedly yelled “Allahu Akbar!” before opening fire, killing 13 and wounding 29 others.
April 3, 2009. Jiverly Wong, 41, opened fire at an immigration center in Binghamton, New York before committing suicide. He killed 13 people and wounded 4.
March 29, 2009. Eight people died in a shooting at the Pinelake Health and Rehab nursing home in Carthage, NC. The gunman, 45-year-old Robert Stewart, was targeting his estranged wife who worked at the home and survived. Stewart was sentenced to life in prison.
February 14, 2008. Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University, killing 6 and wounding 21. The gunman shot and killed himself before police arrived. It was the fifth-deadliest university shooting in US history.
February 7, 2008. Six people died and two were injured in a shooting spree at the City Hall in Kirkwood, Missouri. The gunman, Charles Lee Thornton, opened fire during a public meeting after being denied construction contracts he believed he deserved. Thornton was killed by police.
December 5, 2007. A 19-year-old boy, Robert Hawkins, shot up a department store in the Westroads Mall in Omaha, NE. Hawkins killed 9 people and wounded 4 before killing himself. The semi-automatic rifle he used was stolen from his stepfather’s house.
April 16, 2007. Virginia Tech became the site of the deadliest school shooting in US history when a student, Seung-Hui Choi, gunned down 56 people. Thirty-two people died in the massacre.
February 12, 2007. In Salt Lake City’s Trolley Square Mall, 5 people were shot to death and 4 others were wounded by 18-year-old gunman Sulejman Talović. One of the victims was a 16-year-old boy.
October 2, 2006. An Amish schoolhouse in Lancaster, PA was gunned down by 32-year-old Charles Carl Roberts, Roberts separated the boys from the girls, binding and shooting the girls. 5 young girls died, while 6 were injured. Roberts committed suicide afterward.
March 25, 2006. Seven died and 2 were injured by 28-year-old Kyle Aaron Huff in a shooting spree through Capitol Hill in Seattle, WA. The massacre was the worst killing in Seattle since 1983.
March 21, 2005. Teenager Jeffrey Weise killed his grandfather and his grandfather’s girlfriend before opening fire on Red Lake Senior High School, killing 9 people on campus and injuring 5. Weise killed himself.
March 12, 2005. A Living Church of God meeting was gunned down by 44-year-old church member Terry Michael Ratzmann at a Sheraton hotel in Brookfield, WI. Ratzmann was thought to have had religious motivations, and killed himself after executing the pastor, the pastor’s 16-year-old son, and 7 others. Four were wounded.
July 8, 2003. Doug Williams, a Lockheed Martin employee, shot up his plant in Meridian, MS in a racially-motivated rampage. He shot 14 people, most of them African American, and killed 7 before killing himself.
December 26, 2000. Edgewater Technology employee Michael “Mucko” McDermott shot and killed seven of his coworkers at the office in Wakefield, MA. McDermott claimed he had “traveled back in time and killed Hitler and the last 6 Nazis.” He was sentenced to 7 consecutive life sentences.
September 15, 1999. Larry Gene Ashbrook opened fire on a Christian rock concert and teen prayer rally at Wedgewood Baptist Church in Fort Worth, TX. He killed 7 people and wounded 7 others, almost all teenagers. Ashbrook committed suicide.
July 29, 1999. Mark Orrin Barton, 44, murdered his wife and two children with a hammer before shooting up two Atlanta day trading firms. Barton, a day trader, was believed to be motivated by huge monetary losses. He killed 12 including his family and injured 13 before killing himself.
April 20, 1999. In the deadliest high school shooting in US history, teenagers Eric Harris and Dylan Kiebold shot up Columbine High School in Littleton, CO. They killed 13 people and wounded 21 others. They killed themselves after the massacre.

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It may or may not be an issue. If enough people go to jail because their guns were "stolen" then people will start locking them up when they are not home. If guns don't get stolen then its moot.

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- God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance that's getting smaller and smaller as time moves on..." Neil DeGrasse Tyson
- You can pray for me, I'll think for you.
- When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

you know you enjoy it. Better to be honest with oneself.

in response to red-

Illegal weapons? Haven't you seen that the VAST majority of these mass shootings are done with legal weapons?

As you are so fond of pointing out to me, this discussion is about these mass shootings, not day to day crime.

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You truly believe that you can get a law passed that states that my unregistered shotgun, if used in a crime, will send me to jail? Clearly you must be in another country............

That's my point. Don't bother passing a law if you cannot or will not have the stones to enforce it.

You expect me to lock it up when I'm not home and unlock it every time I return home? Seriously?