WTH is wrong with some people??? Shooting at CT Elementary School - Page 50 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Air&Road · #**736** 12-18-2012, 01:54 PM

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Ooh oh oh it finally happened

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Yep, such truth gets in the way of many of the liberals approaches to things. It doesn't seem to hold them back much though, so there's no need for you to worry about it.

If the shoe fits, wear it.

SwampYankee · #**737** 12-18-2012, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

One story that really made me burn was hearing about a threat called into a church during a vigil for the massacre. Talk about digging under the bottom of the barrel to hit rock bottom.

And another threat called in at the other elementary school in Newtown.

To top it off, those @$$holes from Westboro are supposed to make an appearance.

cmbdiesel · #**738** 12-18-2012, 02:03 PM

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Gents, let's try a different tangent on this -

In this tragedy, we've been assuming that the only response is to fight fire with fire - armed teachers, armed guards, etc, armed with similar lethal weapons to the attacker.

What about fighting fire with water?

There's been several advances in NONLETHAL weapons and methods, ostensibly for riot, crowd, and prison control, over the past decade or so.

Many of these methods, used to incapacitate an attacker until the LEO's arrive, might be quite acceptable to teachers, parents, and the population as a whole - whereas lethal weapons on school grounds most probably would not - and much more likely to be used, from a psychological standpoint, as the person employing said device KNOWS that they can only incapacitate, not kill.

Ideas?

I like the sounds of this.
Are there any broad area devices?
Maybe even tear gas. Think most parents would allow their kids to get tear gassed rather than shot?

pj67coll · #**739** 12-18-2012, 02:04 PM

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None of these armed teacher ideas individually are infringements, but what it does is set the stage for yet more restriction ideas, and greater control of general public under the guise of safety.

Except that you are not controlling the public, you are merely allowing teachers to be armed on campus as opposed to the current situation where they are not allowed to be armed which is in fact a greater interference and control than if they were.

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I see it as another step on the road to hell paved with good intentions.

And do you think the supporters of the 2nd see your attitude as any different?

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Personally, lets say we do arm teachers, and lets say the next mass shooting, the teacher, writing on a math board, is shot anyway,

That's precisely why I suggested several armed staff members per campus. You need a "critical defensive mass". These nutjobs are not going to engage in protracted gun battles with armed opponents. Everytime they are confronted by armed people they kill themselves. So confront them early and get them killed soon. Wether by staff shooting back or by their own hand when they realize the game is up.

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What personal freedom do we remove to make sure these public areas are not at risk? You see when im going?

Well, you clearly have no problem removing the personal freedom to live by the 2nd amendment of the US constitution, so frankly I don't see why you'd have any problem with the removal of other freedoms.

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These are steps towards a police state as an ultimate consequence

Actually, they would be the precise opposite of a police state. A state where the citizenry is able to protect itself from harm is not a police state especially if it's not subject to the dictates of said state as to how and where it may defend itself.

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2ndly, I just don't find the idea realistically workable. If more people are harmed by their self defense guns in the home statistically than those that use them on intruders,

That is a false statement. The idea that every time a gun is used in self defence it's reported to the police is inaccurate (I said used, not necessarily fired or fired to injurious or lethal effect).

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how can we say the introducing large numbers of guns into schools would not result in a greater number of deaths by accident than mass shootings prevented?

That is a valid question. If teachers were to carry guns there would have to be stringent requirements regarding them. Certain types of guns are safer than others and some would be more and others less suitable for the task in a school environment. Ultimately of course the most important factor is the teacher themselves.

I don't know that it is a feasible option, but it seems better in my mind than providing whack jobs with giant soft targets called "gun free zones"

- Peter.

Air&Road · #**740** 12-18-2012, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

And another threat called in at the other elementary school in Newtown.

To top it off, those @$$holes from Westboro are supposed to make an appearance.

I wonder what the reaction would be if a nut gunned down the Westboro loons? Wonder if there would be any mourners to be found at their service?

JB3 · #**741** 12-18-2012, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yep, almost as disrespectful as the gun grabbers that can't even wait for the funerals to be over with before starting their assualt on our right to bear arms.

If you don't want to talk about issues as they happen, then whats the point? The shooting raises questions on gun control, as the tools used to kill dozens of children was guns.
1+1=2 last I checked.

Of course, for you, 1+1 usually equals Q, im waiting for your usual rant on how this is Obama's fault by the way. New leaf?

Fulcrum525 · #**742** 12-18-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SwampYankee

And another threat called in at the other elementary school in Newtown.

To top it off, those @$$holes from Westboro are supposed to make an appearance.

Westboro?

Link?

Air&Road · #**743** 12-18-2012, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dropnosky

If you don't want to talk about issues as they happen, then whats the point? The shooting raises questions on gun control, as the tools used to kill dozens of children was guns.
1+1=2 last I checked.

Of course, for you, 1+1 usually equals Q, im waiting for your usual rant on how this is Obama's fault by the way. New leaf?

Sure, I'll talk about the issues. Apparantly the difference between you and I, however, is that I have respect for the dead. There is the right time for everything and now is not the time.

Bring me the video of Obama at the trigger, gunning down innocent children and I'll accommodate your wishes.

SwampYankee · #**744** 12-18-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Fulcrum525

Westboro?

Link?

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cmbdiesel · #**745** 12-18-2012, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TwitchKitty

We can start making a game of this. In this thread, how many times has this question been asked and answered?

Lot of talk, no listening, no communication.

Disfunction at its finest.

It's kind of a dimensional thing, a disfunctional tribute to disfunction.

You can save on tickets if you buy them in bulk. Sell them to all your, um, I started to say friends, forget it.

Where is your answer? Maybe we missed it. What post number?

All I've seen in the slippery slope BS.

There are a lot of posts in this thread, and obviously this is a question that many would like an answer to, so if you would, please show us where the answer has been posted.

Fulcrum525 · #**746** 12-18-2012, 02:14 PM

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Oh, those guys....

Hopefully they'll be picking on a bridge.
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p7fan · #**747** 12-18-2012, 02:14 PM

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And another threat called in at the other elementary school in Newtown.

To top it off, those @$$holes from Westboro are supposed to make an appearance.

The biker community has made it their goal that the WBC not be attending any funerals of the 26.....

JB3 · #**748** 12-18-2012, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Sure, I'll talk about the issues. Apparantly the difference between you and I, however, is that I have respect for the dead. There is the right time for everything and now is not the time.

Bring me the video of Obama at the trigger, gunning down innocent children and I'll accommodate your wishes.

yet here you are. talking.

Convenient how you have respect for the dead, and anyone who disagrees with your solutions on how to deal with the problem does not. Of course, you haven't posted any solution that I can name, only that you don't like gun grabbers, so whats your actual message in this thread?

You are concerned only about what may affect you, up to and including worrying about things of yours that might be taken if others have their way. That is as selfish as your other posts in general, which is no surprise.

I am willing to believe that everyone on this thread has plenty of respect for the dead, whatever their opinions, and plenty of us are absolutely tired of the same crap happening again and again in the same way.

cmbdiesel · #**749** 12-18-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yep, almost as disrespectful as the gun grabbers that can't even wait for the funerals to be over with before starting their assualt on our right to bear arms.

More partisan BS, and you spew it out over the bodies of the victims...

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Air&Road · #**750** 12-18-2012, 02:23 PM

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The biker community has made it their goal that the WBC not be attending any funerals of the 26.....

About five years ago we had a funeral in our small town for a Marine Sergeant that had been killed in action. The procession was several miles from the airport to downtown. Both sides of the road were packed with people honoring him.

After it was over I was wishing I had counted the Harley's that came by. It was certainly hundreds and the vast majority of them were from out of town. For some reason the WBO nutjobs didn't show up. If they had, they might not have made it out of town and I don't mean because of the bikers.