You are more than welcome to leave your guns unsecure but when there involved in a crime where do my rights covenant play? All I am saying is that you will be held responsible for your guns. If your gun kills someone, you are responsible.

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Please, please tell me how this stupid idea could have possibly saved ANYONE in CT.

You keep coming up with ideas that have absolutely NO bearing on what happened, nor would they have stopped this tragic mass murder from happening.

You're grasping at straws...

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it wouldn't. What it would do, is provide incentive for unused weapons to be locked up securely. Thats what he's getting at.

A lot of the extra mild restrictions proposed in this thread by moderates would have had an effect on what happened, certainly. Why is the concept of a gun safe for every gun owner such a bother for you?

Next question is how many gun owners have 3 or more firearms? the whole argument that its a big financial investment for gun owners is nonsense. Simply pass on the 3rd AK, and get a safe.

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I'll waste this last post to you, then I'm done explaining it to you and David...It is impossible to enforce all gun owners having a "certified" safe. The only thing you would succeed in doing is causing more money to be spent by law abiding gun owners, as well as countless regulations on what a certified safe should or should not contain. If someone wants to illegally get a firearm, they're going to do it no matter what the law says. That's been proven time and time again.

What you are proposing is nothing more than trying to appease emotions...

As for the number of guns someone owns...how many cars, or pens, or anything do you own? I personally own the multiples of same gun in multiple different configurations.

Here in PA, all handgun sales go through an FFL person, it's called a transfer. They don't track registrations, as it's against the law here...However, they track the transfer. Also, some rifles must go through an FFL dealer for transfer as well. Again...they don't require registration.

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Well, I'll keep trying.

Lock your guns up or your going to jail if they are used in the commission of a crime. You want to play Russian Roulette go for it. I could care less if you end up in jail or not.

This is just like speed limits. The law is in place. We all know it. Cops do 'random inspections'. If you speed you risk a ticket. Most people speed, we drive slower than we would if there were no speed limits.

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Are you claiming you now want random inspections on gun safe usage??

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Yeah, jackbooted storm troopers kicking in our doors to check our gunsafes would indeed be the next step in the current iberal progression.

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Nope. never said that. The 'random enforcement' was related to the way speed limits are enforced and encourage people to monitor and enforce their speeds by them selves to avoid a penalty.

People would put their guns in a safe because they would place them selves at risk of jail and penalties if the gun is stolen.

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That is part of what we would like to address.

Sure, I bet I could load up my car with person to person purchased handguns in PA in a matter of hours.

The fact that the sales, even through an FFL, are not tracked is a compelling argument for federal standards.

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you completely missed my point. The point was, a good safe is often around the value of a decent gun. Many gun owners own multiple guns, many even double digit guns. You are telling me they can't hold off on one of these toys to buy a safe for about the same money? Its really that big an imposition on you when you are going to turn right around and buy a new 600 dollar firearm to add to you collection next time you have the cash?

Again, the idea of owning a safe is so mild and makes such decent sense that it simply boggles the mind that so many gun owners who call themselves responsible have such a problem with it.

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Whose guns killed those people?
Where did the shooter get them?
Maybe because you are a 'leave loaded weapons in every room of the house' kind of guy, the concept is escaping you.

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Where did I say I did that??

As of yesterday, there's now 3 loaded at all times...the wife wanted a 9mm, and she recently got her LTCF, so we went shopping yesterday.

BTW...loaded does not mean "one in the chamber".

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If the guns were locked up the kid would not have had access to them.

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Yeah, mum would hide the key or combination where her son could never find it.

I'm sure that's a violation of one of the Laws of Thermodynamics.

He was not allowed to own or posses weapons under CT law. It was her responsibility. Had there been a law in effect that required the weapons to be secured it is possible he would not have had access to them. Had she survived and such a law was in effect, she would have faced prosecution and jail time.

Since there are no real gun control laws in place that are actually effective and address the issues there are 20 or so dead kids and we will never know what could have happened.

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