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aklim · #**121** 01-09-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I "support" the politician who agrees with me politically and philosophically. So are you saying that I should vote for someone who I do NOT agree with?

No, I am saying that by supporting a person who meddles in someone's life when it doesn't concern you, it is as though you meddled in their lives. If I gave money to Al Qaeda and they blew up your house, would you see it as all Aq Qaeda's fault or partly mine?

aklim · #**122** 01-09-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

Hey Young man, I challenge you to read the Bible.

Read it cover to cover myself more than once but haven't found anything worthwhile to make me accept something that mystical.

Air&Road · #**123** 01-09-2013, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

Well, seeing as how I slam the door, both physically and metaphorically on anyone who tries and I haven't slammed the door on you, I'd say you haven't. However, that does not mean you don't support those that do.

When you support someone who is pushing for things that don't affect you, you are interfering in their lives. If I voted for David Duke who runs on a platform of incarcerating Jews and black people, well..... I think you can see where this goes.

This is STILL an ABSURD argument. I don't know how you feel about gun control, but for the sake of discussion let's say that you are a firm believer in gun control to a point that you want all guns taken away from the citizenry by force. THEN you vote for someone who wants to do so. Even though you believe in Gun Control, you should NOT vote for that person?

The whole inference that someone should NOT vote for a person who sees issues the same as himself is preposterous.

Air&Road · #**124** 01-09-2013, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

No, I am saying that by supporting a person who meddles in someone's life when it doesn't concern you, it is as though you meddled in their lives. If I gave money to Al Qaeda and they blew up your house, would you see it as all Aq Qaeda's fault or partly mine?

Not a reasonable analogy. Al Quada (sp?) is not an American organization. If it were, however, IF the majority of the US public votes to put Al Quada in power, then that is the majority rule, and in this case you happened to be in the majority.

aklim · #**125** 01-09-2013, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

The words and "stories" as you call them in the Bible are not nearly as important as the Deed of Jesus. He endured extreme torture and brutal murder.

That's a much different commitment than words written on paper.

Well, when you go screw with the system, you have to expect to get hit back. Besides, that was of his own choosing so no sympathy. Also, as far as execution went, well, he didn't really die and knew he wouldn't so big deal.

To you, yes.

aklim · #**126** 01-09-2013, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

This is STILL an ABSURD argument. I don't know how you feel about gun control, but for the sake of discussion let's say that you are a firm believer in gun control to a point that you want all guns taken away from the citizenry by force. THEN you vote for someone who wants to do so. Even though you believe in Gun Control, you should NOT vote for that person?

The whole inference that someone should NOT vote for a person who sees issues the same as himself is preposterous.

The point is you cannot distance yourself from the man you supported. So if he takes away my gun, I don't only blame him. I blame BOTH OF YOU. In the case of the Blue Laws or abortion or gays, etc, etc, it isn't your business.

What you are doing is saying "I support Joe who believes in concentration camps for Jews. HOWEVER, I am not really trying to screw around with Jewish people. In fact, some of my best friends are Jews".

aklim · #**127** 01-09-2013, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Not a reasonable analogy. Al Quada (sp?) is not an American organization. If it were, however, IF the majority of the US public votes to put Al Quada in power, then that is the majority rule, and in this case you happened to be in the majority.

You could substitute it for a member of the White Aryan Nation or KKK if you like. The point remains that if you sponsor someone, you are responsible as well.

Air&Road · #**128** 01-09-2013, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

The point is you cannot distance yourself from the man you supported. So if he takes away my gun, I don't only blame him. I blame BOTH OF YOU. In the case of the Blue Laws or abortion or gays, etc, etc, it isn't your business.

What you are doing is saying "I support Joe who believes in concentration camps for Jews. HOWEVER, I am not really trying to screw around with Jewish people. In fact, some of my best friends are Jews".

I'm not saying that at all. If I vote for Joe and he does all that, either I agreed with him doing that, or more likely, he managed to mask his intentions while campaigning and getting elected.

That said, screwing with people because they, not by their own choice were born Jewish, is quite different than people who CHOOSE a particular lifestyle.

If people want to choose a particular lifestyle, fine, go for it. If the majority of people say they can howl at the moon all night long keeping everyone else awake, great. It was approved by the democratic process. If they don't win in the democratic system, they need to STFU and let everybody sleep.

Gilly · #**129** 01-09-2013, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Curious as to how many who answered yes, supported the killing of Bin Laden instead of turning the other cheek?

I votes yes, but that A Hole had it coming.

aklim · #**130** 01-09-2013, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I'm not saying that at all. If I vote for Joe and he does all that, either I agreed with him doing that, or more likely, he managed to mask his intentions while campaigning and getting elected.

That said, screwing with people because they, not by their own choice were born Jewish, is quite different than people who CHOOSE a particular lifestyle.

If people want to choose a particular lifestyle, fine, go for it. If the majority of people say they can howl at the moon all night long keeping everyone else awake, great. It was approved by the democratic process. If they don't win in the democratic system, they need to STFU and let everybody sleep.

Nobody is talking about if he suddenly changed tracks. That is a different story. However, if you knew it ahead of time and you supported him, you support his agenda. I have a pretty good idea of David Duke's past. If I support him, I support what he stands for.

It matters little if they choose it or not. As long as it is NOT YOUR BUSINESS, it remains NOT YOUR BUSINESS. If they are forcing you to join in, it becomes your business. Till then, keep your nose out of it. I don't ask you to drink. If you don't want to drink on the Sabbath, don't. Just don't stop me from drinking on whatever day I want.

Again, you are talking about something else. If your howling at the moon disturbs me, it is your business and mine. OTOH, if it doesn't affect you, it is my business and not yours. As they say, your right to swing your fist ends where my nose begins. However, till that point, you have NO RIGHT to say I cannot swing my fist nor should you restraint me.

Edit: Tell me if I am wrong but what you seem to be saying is "I don't believe in XYZ. If a senator proposes to outlaw XYZ and I support him ALTHOUGH IT IS NONE OF MY BUSINESS, I am not really against your doing XYZ."

Gilly · #**131** 01-09-2013, 03:55 PM

Coincidence??

Ara T. · #**132** 01-09-2013, 04:01 PM

Have you heard the good word?

aklim · #**133** 01-09-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ara T.

Have you heard the good word?

Every time I get lucky I hear some good words. "Oh God!" comes to mind.

ramonajim · #**134** 01-09-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Not a reasonable analogy. Al Quada (sp?) is not an American organization. If it were, however, IF the majority of the US public votes to put Al Quada in power, then that is the majority rule, and in this case you happened to be in the majority.

Big Giant Gnarly Problem I see with your logic here Larry.....

Putting one dude, the All Honorable Jesus H. Christ, at the center of things and claiming majority status because, well, you know, more than 50% of US citizens point towards The Dude - implies that you're accepting every certifiable nut job who claims to be a Christian into your tent (Westboro BC, anybody?). Separate the branches/cults/wingnuts/NOT ENOUGH LIKE ME types from your particular definition of mainstream, and I'd argue that your majority status goes in the crapper just as quickly as any claim that all Muslims are evil because (gasp!!!) Al Qaeda.