Originally Posted by Air&Road

It is not like you to avoid answering a question and wiggling around it instead. I asked you if I PERSONALLY have ever tried to convert yo to my belief.

Have I supported officials that believe the same things that I do? YES! Why would I NOT do that? Would it make more sense to you if I were to vote FOR someone who promotes things that I do not agree with? That's a pretty absurd tact for you to expect anyone to follow. Have I ever lambasted you for voting for someone who promotes something that I do NOT agree with? I don't THINK so.

Originally Posted by JB3

that quote is your entire post. If you are going to get angry, I suggest you review what you actually said first.

I bolded the first part yes, but the entire quote is there.

first statement of yours-



second statement of yours-



you don't see the hypocrisy here? On one hand you make a broad claim that those who are athiest try to push it on others as a general rule, on the other hand you say you cant speak for others desire to push their belief on other people.

You contradicted yourself, and moreover, your initial comment flys in the face of recorded history of people butchering each other trying to push religious belief systems on each other

Originally Posted by JB3

so a degree of separation means no guilt and no responsibility?

If I vote for someone who seeks to restrict other peoples rights, the fact that they restrict other peoples rights isn't partly my fault for supporting them? If I push someone, and they fall into a third person who breaks their neck, its not my fault? I can't be blamed in part?

I can't quite believe you just wrote this as well-



Haven't you just spent the entire previous year attacking anyone who voted for a president you personally hate and distrust?

Originally Posted by Air&Road

TBO,

Your reading skills are almost always very impressive, but you sure missed it THIS time.

Please show me in the writing that you quoted where I was trying to convince ANYONE of ANYTHING. Saying that I can not do something means that I am trying to do that?

You're REALLY slipping.

Originally Posted by tbomachines

If you are giving up with the statement "looks like I can't change any of your minds" or something of the sort, would it not indicate that your intent/goal is to change people's minds to some degree? Sure you can semantically step away from the statement and deny it, but logically it doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by aklim

Why do you support congresspeople that try to interfere in gays when you are not gay and nobody gay is forcing you to join in the festivities?

Originally Posted by tbomachines

If you are giving up with the statement "looks like I can't change any of your minds" or something of the sort, would it not indicate that your intent/goal is to change people's minds to some degree? Sure you can semantically step away from the statement and deny it, but logically it doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Air&Road

You and many others try to link ME with other people. I have stated my opinions often and emphatically on this forum, but I don't try to make others believe as I do. If in reading my statement of opinion, you want to think that this is what I'm doing then you can believe what you choose. I know differently.

Originally Posted by The Clk Man

Hey Young man, I challenge you to read the Bible.

Originally Posted by The Clk Man

Hey Young man, I challenge you to read the Bible.

Originally Posted by JB3

your opinion is that athiests and agnostics try to push their beliefs on others, and your opinion is that you can't speak for others trying to push their beliefs on others.

I understand what you mean when you first sated that you can't speak for others, referring to organized religion throughout history, but you must also apply that brush to those you don't agree with.

If you can't speak for others, you can't speak for ALL others, including those who do not believe what you believe.

Originally Posted by Air&Road

I've never been one to try to push my religious beliefs off on others, except for a few, rare, close and personal conversations.
.

Originally Posted by JB3

ive read it, im sure he has as well.

The bible is a very interesting book of stories and tales, some with morals, others without.

Some of us choose to put a greater weight into words written by men thousands of years ago than others.

In three thousand years, My progeny might be asking your progeny- 'hey young man, I challenge you to read the Lord of the Rings. " with equal conviction that the battle for middle earth actually happened as written.

Originally Posted by Air&Road

The words and "stories" as you call them in the Bible are not nearly as important as the Deed of Jesus. He endured extreme torture and brutal murder. That's a much different commitment than words written on paper.

Originally Posted by Air&Road

It is not like you to avoid answering a question and wiggling around it instead. I asked you if I PERSONALLY have ever tried to convert yo to my belief.

Have I supported officials that believe the same things that I do? YES! Why would I NOT do that? Would it make more sense to you if I were to vote FOR someone who promotes things that I do not agree with? That's a pretty absurd tact for you to expect anyone to follow. Have I ever lambasted you for voting for someone who promotes something that I do NOT agree with? I don't THINK so.