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greazzer · #61 01-08-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

He's trying to start an argument between me and you.

I don't believe that the RCC teaches Christian doctrine, I believe the RCC teaches a different gospel. But at the same time I believe that while the organization is not Christian, I believe a Catholic can be a Christian.

We can discuss it some time if you'd like, but Kerry is trying to throw everything he has against Christians. It would grant him plenty of pleasure if he started a flame war between us.

LOL ... I see. Don't fee bad -- The RCC believes non-Catholics are missing the boat too ! There is only one Church, the Holy Roman Catholic Church, and the rest are just denominations. LOL. Enough said on that topic. I guess on the day of Judgment, I'd rather be a heathen RCC than a Kerry-like non-believer ... always another log on the fire in the making.

kerry · #62 01-08-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

In fact the only "difficult problem" I have a problem avoiding is you. You've shown the past you have a very surface level knowledge of Christian belief, you don't know your history and you aren't familiar with basic logical argumentation. Yet you insist on bringing up silly little tidbits which pretend to be proper arguments, but in fact are really just about as deep as the front page of the National Enquirer.

When your argument is weak, throw out an ad hominem. Where have I seen that tactic before?

Skid Row Joe · #63 01-08-2013, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by aklim

In return for my constant devotion and allegiance to their flag. NILIF.

Till it can be proven, it isn't real.

Again, prove that there is a god and the afterlife will fall into place. If the got does NOT exist then there is no afterlife as promised by this god. Maybe another god, IDK. At this point, any deity is pretty much a story or a myth.

OK, so then I was correct in my post about what you believe.

There is no proof that this Jesus guy ever lived or existed,much less that He was indeed God. I would say there's little more than hearsay, much less evidence to account for His existence.

Same for any g/God......I know of not one shred of evidence or proof to present of one's existence, either seen or unseen, past or present.

My hope stands - I want to witness your dialogue with this God that you believe does not exist, that I happen to believe in, in the afterlife of death. I'll most likely precede you, so I'll have plenty of time to get a good seat for what I believe will be a very interesting meeting between you two.

greazzer · #64 01-08-2013, 06:46 PM

Ahhh.... the hearsay crew has re-surfaced. My own name is hearsay is it not ? Someone told me what my name is, so that makes it hearsay by definition. That's OK. I still say a quick prayer in Church every Sunday for the non-believers on this forum. I know one day, one may be Saved and that's good enough for me. Could be Kerry ?

aklim · #65 01-08-2013, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

I gave you a reason and a book.

YOU were the one who started going beyond the physical historical person of Jesus.

So if there was a Jesus, what does it prove? Unless that book can prove that the Jesus we are talking about existed, what does it matter? We are talking about Jesus, the alleged son of god not Jesus the carpenter. First step is to show that this character existed. Next is to show that he IS the son of god. If the book can show that, I'll buy it.

aklim · #66 01-08-2013, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Skid Row Joe

There is no proof that this Jesus guy ever lived or existed,much less that He was indeed God. I would say there's little more than hearsay, much less evidence to account for His existence.

Same for any g/God......I know of not one shred of evidence or proof to present of one's existence, either seen or unseen, past or present.

My hope stands - I want to witness your dialogue with this God that you believe does not exist, that I happen to believe in, in the afterlife of death. I'll most likely precede you, so I'll have plenty of time to get a good seat for what I believe will be a very interesting meeting between you two.

It only matters if you can prove he is THE Jesus we are talking about and not some carpenter who achieved immortality in the minds of people.

So you see my problem.

Unless there is no god or it is a different god, all of which is possible.

The Clk Man · #67 01-09-2013, 09:33 AM

Morning Everyone.

Air&Road · #68 01-09-2013, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by jplinville

I believe that it does. God has never allowed me to go hungry and has made sure I seem to have what I NEED, even when I didn't know I needed it at the time. Even as a child, when my parents worried over every penny (we were on welfare at the time due to a bad business partner dad had) there was always food. There was always shelter. There was always love...Like I said, things I NEED, not things I want.

Yes, he only promised that you will have what you NEED, not what you WANT.

aklim · #69 01-09-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Yes, he only promised that you will have what you NEED, not what you WANT.

So every believer gets what he NEEDS? Are you saying there are no believers that DO NOT get what they need?

Air&Road · #70 01-09-2013, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Your world is a world with fantastical creatures--angels, demons, Gods, sons of God, miracles, sinful beings, redeemed beings, heavens, hells, eternal courts of justice, holes in the heart in which gods fit, voices of the holy spirit, water turning into wine, dead people coming to life, dunkings in water to remove the stains of sin. Most people wouldn't consider those things the 'real world'.

I did notice that you avoided the difficult problem I pointed out.

We obviously have different takes on mart. The above is YOUR take. My take is that he has faith.

kerry · #71 01-09-2013, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

We obviously have different takes on mart. The above is YOUR take. My take is that he has faith.

Am I mistaken in thinking that your world also contains such fantastical things?

Air&Road · #72 01-09-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

So every believer gets what he NEEDS? Are you saying there are no believers that DO NOT get what they need?

Yes, that's what I'm saying, but I don't have any belief whatsoever that you will agree with or believe what I am saying. I would, however, insert the word "true" in your above statement between the words "every" and "believer."

Air&Road · #73 01-09-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kerry

Am I mistaken in thinking that your world also contains such fantastical things?

I've always found the world of many atheists/agnostics to be quite interesting. Although I rarely hesitate to state my opinions on things, I've never been one to try to push my religious beliefs off on others, except for a few, rare, close and personal conversations.

The world of atheists/agnostics OTOH seems to contain many people who REALLY put forth a case for why others should join him in his disbelief. If you don't believe, FINE, have at it.

It just seems very odd that many of those who do NOT believe are so BENT on trying to convince others not to.

Just sayin'.

chilcutt · #74 01-09-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

I've always found the world of many atheists/agnostics to be quite interesting. Although I rarely hesitate to state my opinions on things, I've never been one to try to push my religious beliefs off on others, except for a few, rare, close and personal conversations.

The world of atheists/agnostics OTOH seems to contain many people who REALLY put forth a case for why others should join him in his disbelief. If you don't believe, FINE, have at it.

It just seems very odd that many of those who do NOT believe are so BENT on trying to convince others not to.

Just sayin'.

Well said.

JB3 · #75 01-09-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by The Clk Man

Do you Accept Jesus as your Saviour or reject Jesus as your Saviour? Just a simple question.

I accept he existed, however, I do not think that anyone who has been dead for several thousand years is my savior.

If I was to worship anything of historical value from long ago that may have direct impact on me today, it would be the Magna Carta, the foundation of the freedom of the individual over the power of an absolute ruler.

Jesus certainly existed, but to accept he was the son of god, you would have to believe there is a god to be son of in the first place. There are no simple questions when it comes to someones personal belief, and faith takes many forms.

For instance, I believe we are a form of life that evolved over millennia into our current form. Traits such as advanced thought, upright stance, tool use are all survival traits developed over thousands of years.
If I asked you if you considered a creature from several million years ago to be savior, would you consider it a simper question?

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