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martureo · #**286** 06-27-2013, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

So Roman Catholicism is not what a Roman Catholic believes/practices?

Sorry for my confusion. I'm not clear on terminology at all.

It may not be.

I've met RCs who believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three gods. (which is heresy)

I've met RCs who believe that justification is by faith alone. (Which was declared as false doctrine by the Council of Trent)

Just because someone claims to be something doesn't mean they actually believe what that religion,denomination,system of belief actually professes. And in that same way I declare that Roman Catholicism is not Christian, although individual Roman Catholics may be Christian.

JamesDean · #**287** 06-27-2013, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

It may not be.

I've met RCs who believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three gods. (which is heresy)

I've met RCs who believe that justification is by faith alone. (Which was declared as false doctrine by the Council of Trent)

Just because someone claims to be something doesn't mean they actually believe what that religion,denomination,system of belief actually professes. And in that same way I declare that Roman Catholicism is not Christian, although individual Roman Catholics may be Christian.

Hrm. Interesting.

I think a lot of people are thinking "Christianity" is a blanket term for any number of religious following that center around the teachings of Jesus Christ. At least that is what I was considering them to be.

I had always thought Roman Catholicism was a type of Christianity. Wrong I suppose now.

kerry · #**288** 06-27-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

I had always thought Roman Catholicism was a type of Christianity. Wrong I suppose now.

All serious scholars of religious studies consider Roman Catholicism Christian. Martureo is writing as a partisan of a one particular branch of Christianity and excluding lots of Christians from his definition of 'Christian' for theological reasons. It's unlikely that Jesus would be a Christian from his perspective. Most religions have these kinds of deeply partisan disagreements. Shiites, Sunnis and Alawites have these kinds of disagreements in Islam.

JamesDean · #**289** 06-27-2013, 02:34 PM

Here is the mission statement from the website:

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JamesDean · #**290** 06-27-2013, 02:34 PM

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Parish Mission
We are a faith community of Roman Catholic Christians dedicated to lovingly extending the mission and ministry of Our Lord, Jesus Christ, through Word, Sacrament, and Christian service to the people of Niles and the surrounding areas, all to the Glory of God!

They seem to think that they are Christian.. Hm.

martureo · #**291** 06-27-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kerry

All serious scholars of religious studies consider Roman Catholicism Christian. Martureo is writing as a partisan of a one particular branch of Christianity and excluding lots of Christians from his definition of 'Christian' for theological reasons. It's unlikely that Jesus would be a Christian from his perspective. Most religions have these kinds of deeply partisan disagreements. Shiites, Sunnis and Alawites have these kinds of disagreements in Islam.

Wow, you got something right for once.

And your comparison to Islam is a little off. I'll accept anyone who holds to the basic doctrines of Christianity as a Christian. I will reject doctrines which aren't Christian and the systems that support them. But the people, well, that's on a case by case basis.

JB3 · #**292** 06-27-2013, 02:37 PM

so new question, for the religious, how do dinosaurs fit into the concept of heaven and hell?

You have an entire prehistoric history that was totally unknown to humanity until the mid 1800s, and I find subsequent religious explanations of the existence of these creatures fascinating.

martureo · #**293** 06-27-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

They seem to think that they are Christian.. Hm.

They also think they are the only Christians.

Rome has declared multiple times that unless you are with communion with Rome (as a full member) the you are anathema.

Except now this new pontifex maximus (which I always thought was funny) says things which have contradicted three previous pontifs and the Bible itself.

martureo · #**294** 06-27-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JB3

so new question, for the religious, how do dinosaurs fit into the concept of heaven and hell?

You have an entire prehistoric history that was totally unknown to humanity until the mid 1800s, and I find subsequent religious explanations of the existence of these creatures fascinating.

Don't know, don't really care.

There's a theory of the Leviathan, but it's not an essential issue.

I'm a theistic evolutionist personally, so I have no problem with dinosaurs existing.

JB3 · #**295** 06-27-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Wow, you got something right for once.

And your comparison to Islam is a little off. I'll accept anyone who holds to the basic doctrines of Christianity as a Christian. I will reject doctrines which aren't Christian and the systems that support them. But the people, well, that's on a case by case basis.

so would you say that jesus was more a theo-communist from the modern perspective as Botsnt pointed out? Or is he something else?

JamesDean · #**296** 06-27-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JB3

so new question, for the religious, how do dinosaurs fit into the concept of heaven and hell?

You have an entire prehistoric history that was totally unknown to humanity until the mid 1800s, and I find subsequent religious explanations of the existence of these creatures fascinating.

This is a good question. Could you not expand it to all animal/wildlife though?

Does heaven and hell only apply to human beings? Maybe tied to a certain level of sentience and self-aware-ed-ness?

JB3 · #**297** 06-27-2013, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by martureo

Don't know, don't really care.

There's a theory of the Leviathan, but it's not an essential issue.

I'm a theistic evolutionist personally, so I have no problem with dinosaurs existing.

explain a theistic evolutionist, sounds interesting

so you would be called a christian darwinist?

Benz Dr. · #**298** 06-27-2013, 02:46 PM

So much time....... so little value.

Aside from an interesting, historical, side aproach while discuussing this subject, I see little reason to stroke pastor M's ego.

JamesDean · #**299** 06-27-2013, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Benz Dr.

So much time....... so little value.

Aside from an interesting, historical, side aproach while discuussing this subject, I see little reason to stroke pastor M's ego.

stroke? how so?

JB3 · #**300** 06-27-2013, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

This is a good question. Could you not expand it to all animal/wildlife though?

Does heaven and hell only apply to human beings? Maybe tied to a certain level of sentience and self-aware-ed-ness?

my interest is in the paradox of the garden of eden that the age of these creatures turns religious timelines on their head.

My understanding is that there are only a few mentions of creatures that could be interpreted as dinosaurs in the bible, and after their discovery, were quickly shown in that light.

1. Behemoth - Job 40:15

2. Leviathan - Isaiah 27:1; Psalm 74:14; Job 41:1

still fairly interpretable though

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