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Old 07-10-2013, 03:17 PM
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Your inability to see the security check through the eyes of the Marine speaks volumes. There are always at least two sides to every story and sometimes more. Let us hear from him one more time since you don't appear to be championing his cause.

Quote from the OP link: “At some places I’m treated like royalty and at some like a terrorist. There’s got to be something in the middle,” he said.
so you are saying that because of his marine service he is automatically trustworthy and should not be subjected to screening like everyone else, and to force him to be screened like everyone else is unpatriotic?

Again, military service does not automatically mean you are a good egg, we would be fools to believe that. TSA personnel would be even bigger fools to act on it.

Removing your jacket does not strike me as an imposition.

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Old 07-10-2013, 03:21 PM
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Clarification asked for concerning your statement. What, exactly did you mean by "what is the marines?"
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what is the marines cause he is asking
Yes. I meant to add "the marine's cause."

Classic case of thinking faster than I can type and forgetting.
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Old 07-10-2013, 04:46 PM
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I find it humorous that Huskyguy, who admits to not being part of the commercial airline consumers for many years is handing out commentary about what goes on inside the terminal.
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so you are saying that because of his marine service he is automatically trustworthy and should not be subjected to screening like everyone else, and to force him to be screened like everyone else is unpatriotic?

Again, military service does not automatically mean you are a good egg, we would be fools to believe that. TSA personnel would be even bigger fools to act on it.

Removing your jacket does not strike me as an imposition.
It is an imposition when you are injured and do not have full mobility of your arm. You lack the ability to empathize with the Marine's injury so you take the normal government tact: ALL RULES WILL BE FOLLOWED REGARDLESS.

I submit that you are heartless, sir, and have little to no respect for disabled veterans.
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Old 07-10-2013, 07:19 PM
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It is an imposition when you are injured and do not have full mobility of your arm. You lack the ability to empathize with the Marine's condition and so you take the normal government tact: ALL RULES WILL BE FOLLOWED REGARDLESS.

I submit that you are heartless, sir, and have little to no respect for disabled veterans.
This is a joke right?

Its already been pointed out that handicapped people go through security screening daily, many of them wounded veterans. This guy is wounded, I appreciate his predicament, and he needed help removing his uniform jacket. He had a friend with him that could have easily helped him, he could have explained his situation to get preferential treatment at security screening like if you are in a wheel chair or similar, none of which absolved him from removing his jacket like every single person that goes through screening.

I have more respect for a wounded veteran than you appear to. The man has a wound that debilitates him, not a broken brain. I expect him as a veteran and marine to take steps to allow for his injury, to understand what security screening requires and act accordingly in how he gets through, not expect to ride on his wounded veteran status and demand to be excused necessary security screening because he doesn't like it and doesn't want to take off his coat.

TSA on average removes a couple weapons a day nationwide from airline passengers, they must assume the worst and hope for the best. Again, if we are going to have this airport security screening, it might as well be consistent.
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This is a joke right?

Its already been pointed out that handicapped people go through security screening daily, many of them wounded veterans. This guy is wounded, I appreciate his predicament, and he needed help removing his uniform jacket. He had a friend with him that could have easily helped him, he could have explained his situation to get preferential treatment at security screening like if you are in a wheel chair or similar, none of which absolved him from removing his jacket like every single person that goes through screening.

I have more respect for a wounded veteran than you appear to. The man has a wound that debilitates him, not a broken brain. I expect him as a veteran and marine to take steps to allow for his injury, to understand what security screening requires and act accordingly in how he gets through, not expect to ride on his wounded veteran status and demand to be excused necessary security screening because he doesn't like it and doesn't want to take off his coat.

TSA on average removes a couple weapons a day nationwide from airline passengers, they must assume the worst and hope for the best. Again, if we are going to have this airport security screening, it might as well be consistent.
Check out my new post about disabled travelers getting abused by TSA gestapo. May I suggest you apply for a job with TSA, you will fit right in.
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Want to know why this is "news?" Because of the hundreds of thousands of travelers that go through US airports every day of the week . . .
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:36 PM
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Unless of course its a sheep that thinks its a wolf, then it can't get easier
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Old 07-11-2013, 06:54 AM
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Check out my new post about disabled travelers getting abused by TSA gestapo. May I suggest you apply for a job with TSA, you will fit right in.
Amazing how you do not understand the desire for consistency. Like I've said again and again, if we have to have this complex pain in the a$$ screening process, it should be consistent. If its not consistent, it might as well be removed. As I've also said again and again, the marine wouldn't remove his metal laden uniform jacket to go through the scanner, which since the TSA is generally consistent in requiring that, he could have anticipated this obvious issue.

How politically correct can we get here? anything that has to do with a veteran is automatically an issue of patriotism. Suddenly whatever TSA personell involved are unpatriotic monsters for trying to consistently do their jobs, and the marine is a hero for creating a completely predictable and easily avoidable situation at security screening. Apparently I'm also heartless and have no respect for wounded veterans by demanding consistency in a security process if its going to be there, and expressing irritation with the marine for creating an easily avoidable situation.

Take your dam jacket off like everyone else who goes through security. If you need help, have your friend help you. Every TSA checkpoint has a person earlier at the start of the line where special circumstances can be brought up. My 90 year old grandmother has a metal knee which sets off the scanner every time. She mentions this to the TSA guy at the start of the line and gets a private screening with a metal detector wand. She still has to take her jacket off, and no, she's never been felt up or strip searched.

Do those things happen? Sure, with such an invasive security screening process, that is bound to happen. Do I think we need it? I'm of two minds, one it doesn't strike me at more invasive than security in any airport around the world, plenty of airports in other countries have armed millitary in them, and US airports are nowhere close. I don't like it, but I accept that its currently part of the price of air travel, and if you simply anticipate what they require, its less irritating.
On the other hand it may not do much if someone is determined to attack a plane, but if we didn't have something like the TSA, you can bet huskyman would be complaining about how we don't protect air travelers if someting were to happen.
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:19 AM
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:38 AM
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The point is the next time any of us complaining about airport security screening go to an airport, im betting there's a 100% chance they submit to going through the security checkpoint exactly like everyone else.

A sheep that thinks its a wolf is a wolf on the internet, then instantly switches back to a sheep as they leave their door and follow the rules of society, up to and including annoying screening at airports should they choose to travel by air.
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The point is the next time any of us complaining about airport security screening go to an airport, im betting there's a 100% chance they submit to going through the security checkpoint exactly like everyone else.

A sheep that thinks its a wolf is a wolf on the internet, then instantly switches back to a sheep as they leave their door and follow the rules of society, up to and including annoying screening at airports should they choose to travel by air.
The master of the obvious.

Only an idiot would go to the airport and challenge the TSA regarding their policies.

Decrying policies that are fundamentally ridiculous is good for the soul, even if it accomplishes nothing.

BTW, YOU are part of the reason why such onerous behavior has become part and parcel with the TSA.............you and about 200M of your buddies are OK with all of it so you can be "SAFE".
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The master of the obvious.

Only an idiot would go to the airport and challenge the TSA regarding their policies.

Decrying policies that are fundamentally ridiculous is good for the soul, even if it accomplishes nothing.

BTW, YOU are part of the reason why such onerous behavior has become part and parcel with the TSA.............you and about 200M of your buddies are OK with all of it so you can be "SAFE".

If its that obvious why has it taken this many pages to make that clear to huskyman? Maybe obvious to you, but apparently not to him, who thinks security rules should be bent based on what anyone is wearing.

As far as onerous behavior by the TSA, sure, me, you, husky, botnst, all us people who go though TSA without causing a ruckus to catch our flight are all contributing our OK with all of it.

As I said, what I want is consistency in a security organization. Whether or not it should exist is another matter. Thats not husky's argument, which is about changing security protocol based on a case by case method of subjective analysis, which is less effective than no screening process at all.
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Decrying policies that are fundamentally ridiculous is good for the soul, even if it accomplishes nothing.
how do you know screening policies are fundamentally ridiculous? how are you sure?

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