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MTI · #61 07-10-2013, 10:18 AM

It's "harassment" for air crews to go thru security screenings? They all have their own express lane, right?

JB3 · #62 07-10-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

TSA harassment of pilots is equivalent to a vote of non-confidence. When a man or woman knows that they are not trusted to perform their job in a professional, safe manner, it tends to negatively affect their attitude about all of it.

Same for the passengers, when they are herded like cattle and felt-up (some TSA agents have gone places on their person their husbands and wives haven't been in years!!!!), they are made to feel they aren't trusted. Guilty until you can prove yourself innocent type of thing.

sounds to me like the aircraft mechanics have a beef with the pilots here too. Why should they not be trusted to have performed their job in a professional safe manner? How dare a pilot go through a preflight check list and not automatically trust the aircraft mechanic whos been on the job for years?
Its harassment at the very least, everyone should be taken at their word for every thing, every where, especially security screening for explosives and weapons.
My word should be good enough for any TSA person. If I say that the 6 foot long 8 inch around tube im carrying is a walking stick and not a surface to air missle, they should take me at my word, as obviously my self confidence in not being doubted and checked is more important than the lives of anyone I could potentially harm.

JamesDean · #63 07-10-2013, 12:39 PM

My thoughts:

Everyone should be checked regardless of their job, status, rank, service, title etc.

No one should be trusted based on their word, service etc.

I just got back from a business trip a few weeks ago. Going through the TSA checkpoint was not a huge pain. I took my shoes off, my laptop out and placed them into the bins. Walked through the scanner booth thing, stuck my arms up and walked out.

I later got a free leg massage because I'd forgotten to take out some mints out of my pocket.

The TSA folks that I dealt with were not rude or annoying, they were straightforward and to the point. I had no problems.

spdrun · #64 07-10-2013, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

My thoughts:

Everyone should be checked regardless of their job, status, rank, service, title etc.

No one should be trusted based on their word, service etc.

Speaking strictly to pilots: we don't trust them with an x-acto knife, yet we trust them to fly a hundred-ton machine at 600 mph over populated areas? Give me a break.

JamesDean · #65 07-10-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Speaking strictly to pilots: we don't trust them with an x-acto knife, yet we trust them to fly a hundred-ton machine at 600 mph over populated areas? Give me a break.

No breaks for you sir. If we're going to put a process in place to screen people it should be extended to all people involved.

It might not be the perfect approach but it should at least be consistent.

spdrun · #66 07-10-2013, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

No breaks for you sir. If we're going to put a process in place to screen people it should be extended to all people involved.

It might not be the perfect approach but it should at least be consistent.

Why? Other than some misguided American notion of fairness and equality?

JamesDean · #67 07-10-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Why? Other than some misguided American notion of fairness and equality?

Maybe it has something to do with fairness and equality.

But my point is more about being consistent and not making exceptions just because someone is a military vet or has a pilot's license, etc.

That's still not to say the pilot can't go and crash the plain. That's still a possibility and frankly there isnt much anyone can do about that at a TSA check point.

spdrun · #68 07-10-2013, 12:57 PM

I'm not in support of making exceptions for pilot's licenses. I'd support making exceptions for air crew that's due to fly out of a given airport in the next two hours or so, provided that the crew has identification and is personally known to the TSA screener passing them.

JamesDean · #69 07-10-2013, 01:14 PM

When I was at Cleveland Hopkins, I believe the air crews had an "express" lane that bypassed the passengers so they were given priority to go through the checkpoint.

spdrun · #70 07-10-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesDean

When I was at Cleveland Hopkins, I believe the air crews had an "express" lane that bypassed the passengers so they were given priority to go through the checkpoint.

Yeah, but really, x-raying their shoes, putting them through the nudie scanners, and patting them down like crims? Assuming they're personally known to the screener and have ID, they should be allowed to simply walk through. Sadly, inconveniencing them as much as anyone else makes for good security theatre.

HuskyMan · #71 07-10-2013, 01:22 PM

Sorry, but it appears that the Pilots are no longer subject to the pat downs and the feel ups.

“This one seemed to jump out as a common-sense issue,” Pistole said. “Why don’t we trust pilots who are literally in charge of the aircraft?”

TSA Chief Says Airline Pilots to Get Faster Screening - Bloomberg

Botnst · #72 07-10-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

TSA harassment of pilots is equivalent to a vote of non-confidence. When a man or woman knows that they are not trusted to perform their job in a professional, safe manner, it tends to negatively affect their attitude about all of it.

Same for the passengers, when they are herded like cattle and felt-up (some TSA agents have gone places on their person their husbands and wives haven't been in years!!!!), they are made to feel they aren't trusted. Guilty until you can prove yourself innocent type of thing.

I think you rather deftly missed the point.

Jim B. · #73 07-10-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by E150GT

TSA is a joke

Yep. But it's not that funneh.

JB3 · #74 07-10-2013, 01:50 PM

all this talk about getting felt up is interesting, sounds like a big scare tactic since to my knowledge its pretty rare unless you keep setting off the scanner. Ive been on 4 commercial flights in the last 10 months, one international, and not once was I "felt up".

TSA is pretty predictable, and returning to the OP, the reason this guy got into a big thing with TSA is he refused to remove his metal laden uniform jacket, which any idiot can tell you will have to happen unless you are crew on an accelerated screening process.

My process is simple, I get into the security line that may take 10-20 minutes (never has it been hours in the major airports Ive been in), while waiting in line I untie my shoes, I remove my license from my wallet and place my wallet, phone, keys, and belt in my carry on, keeping my ticket and license in my pocket.
I arrive at the baggage screening conveyer, I place bag on conveyer, I place shoes and jacket in bucket and place on conveyer, and I walk through. Pick everything up on the other side. Done and done.

I don't carry big toothpaste, big contact stuff, food or water through security screening. 5 minutes of prep in having the right stuff to get through an airport before you get there is all it takes.

Only one time since 9/11 has my bag been opened by TSA, and that was when I had 3 knives in my carryon I had forgotten about. A bread knife, and two jack knives. Even then I wasn't "felt up" by TSA.

This hulabaloo is just so much silly hype. Guy should have known better than to expect that he could just walk through security screening without removing his uniform jacket, no doubt he's been on plenty of commercial flights in the past and knows the drill.

Botnst · #75 07-10-2013, 01:55 PM

^^^ Thank you citizen. The government appreciates your acquiescence.