Disgusting conduct by security - Page 4 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

Pooka · #46 07-09-2013, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

Pilots I know tell me running through the preflight check list is a very important part of flight safety. By detaining the pilot, the crew and the passenger's safety was compromised. Airlines attempt to fly on schedule and pilots are under pressure to get the plane in the air ON TIME. The TSA agent was the one throwing his weight around on this one, not the pilot. Who has the license to fly and knows more about the safe operation of an aircraft, the TSA agent or the pilot?

Then the pilot should have shown up earlier. I am only guessing here, but I bet he knew what time the ship had to be in the air.

We used to tell people that they should not expect us to hurry just because they waited until the last minute.

Cutting corners is the fastest way to get someone killed.

Pooka · #47 07-09-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

I used to fly a lot but nowadays with all the TSA BS and the insecure cockpit door locks, I've chosen to keep my feet on the ground. Last trip the airport was to drop off a friend; I tried to help my friend carry their bags to the airline check in counter, but a dog barking security guard told me to "MOVE THAT CAR NOW OR I WILL HAVE IT TOWED". No sky caps to assist with baggage check in were present either. Customer service? Fuhgettaboutit!!

It appears the next time I drop someone off I will have to toss both them and their bags out the window of the 560SEL while cruising around 5 - 10 MPH. hopefully, they can gather what is left of them after they hit and skid on the concrete and make their way to the airline ticket counter.

I have seen the same thing from the security guards when dropping someone off. And where are the Skycaps? Do they not exist anymore?

I don't fly on business because I am retired, but when I did I always used one of our jets. I have never dealt with the TSA myself, so I don't feel qualified to speak about their shortcomings.

HuskyMan · #48 07-09-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pooka

I have seen the same thing from the security guards when dropping someone off. And where are the Skycaps? Do they not exist anymore?

I don't fly on business because I am retired, but when I did I always used one of our jets. I have never dealt with the TSA myself, so I don't feel qualified to speak about their shortcomings.

It appears that only some airports have removed the Skycaps. For what reason, who knows? They have been replaced by ultra rude security guards who get off telling you to move your car right this minute or they will have it towed. If you find yourself in the unenviable position of taking an elderly person to the airport, they will have to wrestle their luggage themselves because if you try to help them with their bags your car will get towed.

Jorn · #49 07-09-2013, 11:19 PM

McVeigh was a decorated Gulf War veteran, just saying.

spdrun · #50 07-09-2013, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I agree, not sure why the pilot thinks he is special.

Because he could likely crash the plane without resorting to weaponry brought on board. Why bother checking for penknives and nail-clippers when there's a crash axe in the cockpit and he/she has nearly full control over the plane?

TSA should confirm the pilot is a legitimate pilot and is scheduled to fly today. Beyond that, why bother?

HuskyMan · #51 07-09-2013, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Because he could likely crash the plane without resorting to weaponry brought on board. Why bother checking for penknives and nail-clippers when there's a crash axe in the cockpit and he/she has nearly full control over the plane?

TSA should confirm the pilot is a legitimate pilot and is scheduled to fly today. Beyond that, why bother?

By detaining the pilot, the TSA agent shows who is boss. It's a power thing.....me security agent, you lowly pilot.

HuskyMan · #52 07-09-2013, 11:57 PM

Getting back to the original post, I believe the movie series "Rambo" helps to illustrate the kind of treatment some veterans have received over the years at the hands of civilian "law enforcement". Perhaps you were a big hero over there in Afghanistan, but back here you are just another resource unit.

Quote from the OP link: “At some places I’m treated like royalty and at some like a terrorist. There’s got to be something in the middle,” he said. Think about the Rambo movie, wasn't this John Rambo's fate? Some liked him, some despised him.

spdrun · #53 07-09-2013, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

By detaining the pilot, the TSA agent shows who is boss. It's a power thing.....me security agent, you lowly pilot.

Karma comes around. It's unfortunate when someone stops to help someone who broke down in a rough part of Newark. When that someone sees the smurf uniform, he gives the smurf a piece of their mind, burns out, and hopes that a mugger shows up before the tow truck.

davidmash · #54 07-10-2013, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

Because he could likely crash the plane without resorting to weaponry brought on board. Why bother checking for penknives and nail-clippers when there's a crash axe in the cockpit and he/she has nearly full control over the plane?

TSA should confirm the pilot is a legitimate pilot and is scheduled to fly today. Beyond that, why bother?

Is the pilot alone in the cockpit?

spdrun · #55 07-10-2013, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

Is the pilot alone in the cockpit?

Wait till his copilot needs to take a leak, or just cosh the copilot from behind? No flight engineers these days, so this will be one against one.

If a pilot gets into the cockpit intent on harm, the battle is already lost, regardless of weaponry. Putting pilots through the shoe carnival is a big farking waste of time

davidmash · #56 07-10-2013, 12:53 AM

I gather you have not been on a plane in a while.

Not really one on one if one is armed.

spdrun · #57 07-10-2013, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by davidmash

I gather you have not been on a plane in a while.

I have. I repeat: if one of the pilots is bent on harm, everyone on the plane is out of luck, regardless of TSA smurf harassment of pilots.

Even if both pilots are in the cockpit and conscious, if one of them does something stupid or dangerous a few moments before landing or after takeoff, there wouldn't be time for the other to recover. The pilots have already been issued the most powerful weapon on the plane -- access to the controls. Putting them through the smurf carnival is degrading and ridiculous.

davidmash · #58 07-10-2013, 01:17 AM

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Originally Posted by spdrun

I have. I repeat: if one of the pilots is bent on harm, everyone on the plane is out of luck, regardless of TSA smurf harassment of pilots.

Even if both pilots are in the cockpit and conscious, if one of them does something stupid or dangerous a few moments before landing or after takeoff, there wouldn't be time for the other to recover. The pilots have already been issued the most powerful weapon on the plane -- access to the controls. Putting them through the smurf carnival is degrading and ridiculous.

Had you been on a aircraft recently and paid attention you wold know that a pilot is never left in the cockpit alone but why lets facts get in the way this far into your and and Husky's conspiracy right.

Secondly, a pilot may wish to do something other than turning the airplane into a lawn dart.

Third, security is not perfect. It is possible that someone who is not a pilot could get through security. Preventing them from having weapons is a good thing.

I see no reason why anyone entering an airport should not face the same screening that the rest of us have to.

Botnst · #59 07-10-2013, 07:57 AM

Anybody can crash a plane. It doesn't take a pilot, though usually a pilot is at the controls.

On landing or take-off it is especially easy to crash an airplane. If we don't trust the pilot enough to allow her through security unchecked, then wtf let her into the cockpit?

This is not about security, it is about leadership. Everybody gets checked, pilots and flight attendants included. Why would you, a mere passenger, think your complaint is valid?

HuskyMan · #60 07-10-2013, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

Anybody can crash a plane. It doesn't take a pilot, though usually a pilot is at the controls.

On landing or take-off it is especially easy to crash an airplane. If we don't trust the pilot enough to allow her through security unchecked, then wtf let her into the cockpit?

This is not about security, it is about leadership. Everybody gets checked, pilots and flight attendants included. Why would you, a mere passenger, think your complaint is valid?

TSA harassment of pilots is equivalent to a vote of non-confidence. When a man or woman knows that they are not trusted to perform their job in a professional, safe manner, it tends to negatively affect their attitude about all of it.

Same for the passengers, when they are herded like cattle and felt-up (some TSA agents have gone places on their person their husbands and wives haven't been in years!!!!), they are made to feel they aren't trusted. Guilty until you can prove yourself innocent type of thing.