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cmac2012 · #**136** 03-28-2014, 05:41 PM

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Innuendo aside, did I miss a press conference? Was there any evidence who did what? Who all fired shots and if so how many? Anybody else at the scene? That been ruled out? So you feel the officer can justifiably probe (force interaction) to 'make' a situation to have it develop into a legit stop? How could possibly protect form that or actually have any rights? So far (if I recall correctly) WPD claimed German stopped them, had them there 'stopped' then called for backup. After that their claim is they found him wounded. Have you got something for what happened in between? Please link us. I don't think anybody is legally obligated to engage in a friendly chat with anybody, and choosing not to is no legal basis for a stop. And I claim there is no obligation for me, or anyone, to learn the 'local customs' of any community I might walk through to avoid loss of my constitutional protections. That kind of thing only flies if you voluntarily subjugate yourself to it, like religion. If he hadn't have stopped them all three would have witnessed the sun rise - baring any other new/unrelated incident.

Your idealism is untenable. I think it almost certain that the young man was going to land in deep trouble soon enough.

cmbdiesel · #**137** 03-28-2014, 07:01 PM

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Your idealism is untenable. I think it almost certain that the young man was going to land in deep trouble soon enough.

Not any more...

INSIDIOUS · #**138** 03-28-2014, 08:13 PM

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Your idealism is untenable. I think it almost certain that the young man was going to land in deep trouble soon enough.

Best argument yet to violate his rights and end him dead. Have more?

engatwork · #**139** 03-28-2014, 08:33 PM

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Being awake at 4AM is not suspicious.

Around here it is

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Another slant.

happened in Athens, Ga

cmac2012 · #**140** 03-28-2014, 10:18 PM

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Best argument yet to violate his rights and end him dead. Have more?

I don't think his search and seizure was unreasonable. You don't know what visual clues the officer had to go on. Based on what we know, I feel confident that the twit put out the "I am a head case" vibe pretty well when he spotted a police cruiser, this with a gun on him if not already in his hand.

In your world, there is no way police could spot a crime in progress and take steps to thwart it because they're supposed to wait until after it's happened. If the officer had somehow kept the youth covered until the weapon was given up, this could have been a far better outcome that what was on the table before officer German happened upon the scene.

What do you think they were doing on the street, armed, at 4 am?

Hard to imagine that the familes won't get the bodies of the deceased soon for burial. If there are multiple wounds on each death youth, presumably from a hail of police bullets, I think the story will fall apart soon enough.

INSIDIOUS · #**141** 03-28-2014, 10:34 PM

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I don't think his search and seizure was unreasonable.

Who's S&S? Know something we don't? Link it.

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You don't know what visual clues the officer had to go on. Based on what we know, I feel confident that the twit put out the "I am a head case" vibe pretty well when he spotted a police cruiser, this with a gun on him if not already in his hand.

What gun? Who's gun? Did I miss a press release? So far all we know is German probably had a gun, at least one.

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In your world, there is no way police could spot a crime in progress and take steps to thwart it because they're supposed to wait until after it's happened. If the officer had somehow kept the youth covered until the weapon was given up, this could have been a far better outcome that what was on the table before officer German happened upon the scene.

If they spot a crime they should have at it, big leap from spot a teen walking. What weapon? Nothing was on the table before German stopped them teens walking for all we know.

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What do you think they were doing on the street, armed, at 4 am?

What is your proof they were armed? So far the offical word has not gone beynd teens walking, or can you link us to updates?

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Hard to imagine that the familes won't get the bodies of the deceased soon for burial. If there are multiple wounds on each death youth, presumably from a hail of police bullets, I think the story will fall apart soon enough.

Perhaps, but thing is, we don't even have a story proffered at us yet that any body can be held accountable to, well beside 3 unexplained dead peeps. that is my gripe here, this is as big a bumble as 370.

cmac2012 · #**142** 03-29-2014, 12:37 AM

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Who's S&S? Know something we don't? Link it.

Please. The 4th Amendment is brought up because officer German's "subject stop" falls under suspicion of being in the 'unreasonable searches and seizures' category spoken of therein.

We'll see what comes out.

t walgamuth · #**143** 03-29-2014, 07:43 AM

Lack of any hard evidence has prevented me from commenting on this thread.

cmbdiesel · #**144** 03-29-2014, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by t walgamuth

Lack of any hard evidence has prevented me from commenting on this thread.

Weirdo...

INSIDIOUS · #**145** 03-29-2014, 11:45 AM

Yeah, what is the matter with him?

Botnst · #**146** 03-30-2014, 07:47 PM

(My apologies to everybody for being a resident curmudgeon)

A great way to avoid problem with the poh-lees is to stay within local societal norms.

INSIDIOUS · #**147** 03-30-2014, 08:25 PM

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(My apologies to everybody for being a resident curmudgeon)

A great way to avoid problem with the poh-lees is to stay within local societal norms.

^ reads like 'societal norms' defined by the 'poh-lees' trumps the constitution. You sir have invalidated yourself. My advise is drink heavily. Did you even think just a little bit before typing that? Cat on the keyboard? Account hi-jacked?

Botnst · #**148** 03-30-2014, 08:33 PM

It's not 'either/or'. Life is full of compromises. If you want to live on the edge or beyond societal norms then expect scrutiny. This is a fact of life.

Is it fair? No.
Is it ideal? No.
Is it real? Yes.

There are circumstances and occaisions when challenging the norms is a good thing. But that sure as hell doesn't mean that it will be safe, comfortable or easy. Take civil rights, for example (of which this is a subset). It is not fair, right or just that black people were oppressed due to pigmentation. Yet changing the local norm cost lives. Was it worth it?

I woul say that the survivors would say it is. The dead have no opinion.

INSIDIOUS · #**149** 03-30-2014, 08:53 PM

Either or whatever. You own post #146.

Botnst · #**150** 03-30-2014, 11:32 PM

I'm to obtuse to get your point. Sorry.