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Old 05-13-2014, 01:00 AM
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Like I said how would the City Council that Fired the Police Officer react if someone came to a City Council Meeting and brandished the Gun?

I think they would get a suddenly unpleasant and quick education in reality.

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Old 05-13-2014, 01:10 AM
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I forgot something. Where I used to go shooting the other side of the Range was devoted to Police qualifying.

The Range was run by the LAPD and they were all over the Range in the Break Room the Parking Lot and so on. The were all armed.

On occasions I spoke with them and never worried that they were Armed.
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Personally I don't understand why anyone would want the thankless Job of being a Police Officer.
$22/hr starting plus paid training.
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Both are exactly what I was saying. Everyone seems to be demanding some perfection from the Police that does not exist in Themselves/Normal Human beings especially when the Police are exposed to the worst of the worst People in our Country.
Are you saying that because the Police deal with scumbags, the slime from the scumbags rubs off on the Police and that the Police tend to become exactly like those they go after?


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The Police are involved in what amounts to Guerrilla Warfare. The Police and other Law Enforcement don't know who is their Enemy. Working in those conditions why would the expect them not to have psychological issues.
Question: what, exactly is your definition of 'psychological issues'? And, in your sole opinion are their 'psychological issues' a result of having to deal with scumbags on a daily basis?
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Never even give it a second thought. Been stopped several times (lead foot) and I have never been worried once. Then again I am a white male so that makes things a little less scary.
It appears you have nothing fear......as for non-whites, that may be another story........

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$22/hr starting plus paid training.
$22 is not enough!
And, what does a Garbage Collector/Sanatation Engineer make?
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Are you saying that because the Police deal with scumbags, the slime from the scumbags rubs off on the Police and that the Police tend to become exactly like those they go after?




Question: what, exactly is your definition of 'psychological issues'? And, in your sole opinion are their 'psychological issues' a result of having to deal with scumbags on a daily basis?
People are different and react differently to the same situation.
I think being put into a situation where every none Law Enforcement Person you meet when you answer a Call might harm you has to have a less then joyful effect on you that can only grow in time.

It also has to be terribly frustrating to deal with the same troublesome People over and over again especially when you think you finally got the off the Street and they get released.

That is somewhat like I saw in a movie based on the real War where the Soldiers repeatable have to assault the same Hill and take it and have to do that over and over again because they cannot prevent the Enemy from returning to the Hill. The Soldiers get sacrifice themselves but never get to win.

The above can indeed push People past some psychological Limit that Psychologist consider Normal.
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$22 is not enough!
And, what does a Garbage Collector/Sanatation Engineer make?
That's just the starting pay for Carson City, Douglas County, and NHP. Reno PD pays a bit more. The pay goes up from there. One of my co workers at my current job quit to be a garbage man for Douglas County. That job starts at $11, but there are regular raises until it tops out at something like $16.
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That's just the starting pay for Carson City, Douglas County, and NHP. Reno PD pays a bit more. The pay goes up from there. One of my co workers at my current job quit to be a garbage man for Douglas County. That job starts at $11, but there are regular raises until it tops out at something like $16.
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And, what does a Garbage Collector/Sanatation Engineer make?
$1,000 a week, plus all you can eat !!!!
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Are you saying that because the Police deal with scumbags, the slime from the scumbags rubs off on the Police and that the Police tend to become exactly like those they go after?

Actually it's a real issue when officers go undercover - especially in really long and ongoing investigations.

To a great extent it is really helpful, insofar as their cover isn't as likely to get blown.

It can be a problem though, in the cases where they finally "go native", which on rare occasions actually happens.
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Why is it the cities wait until a cop goes off the rails before they fire them? A simple psychological exam administered annually could help prevent these tragedies. Perhaps the testing would cost too much........
I made a similar observation recently. We have entered an era where LEOs go of the rails way too frequently. The practice is far from perfect, but routine psychological testing could go a long way to helping to at least greatly reduce the frequency of this.

On a larger issue, they have a tough job and wearing a bullet proof body armor is testament to the risky nature of the job. It is entirely possible that being a career LEO is a formula for disaster for at least a percentage of them. If that’s true, the nature of a LEO career needs to change so that the likelihood of your run of the mill pig shooting someone out of rage or “accident” due to either damage to or just the nature of their so called emotional intelligence could be reduced, perhaps dramatically.

OTOH, we hear of so many mentally sick occurrences in Texas that I’m lead to believe the prolonged exposure to overwhelming amounts of petroleum related fumes has mentally altered a notable percentage of the state population. All the same, more frequent psychological testing of those who own and use firearms would help to identify this.
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It appears you have nothing fear......as for non-whites, that may be another story........

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I'm not white. Tell me the other story since I have been stopped by armed cops and not been afraid. Other than what the ticket will cost me, that is. That paper and pen is more scary than the gun
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The above can indeed push People past some psychological Limit that Psychologist consider Normal.
Well, I wouldn't place any stock in what they say. It all depends on what you are paying them to say
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I made a similar observation recently. We have entered an era where LEOs go of the rails way too frequently. The practice is far from perfect, but routine psychological testing could go a long way to helping to at least greatly reduce the frequency of this.

On a larger issue, they have a tough job and wearing a bullet proof body armor is testament to the risky nature of the job. It is entirely possible that being a career LEO is a formula for disaster for at least a percentage of them. If that’s true, the nature of a LEO career needs to change so that the likelihood of your run of the mill pig shooting someone out of rage or “accident” due to either damage to or just the nature of their so called emotional intelligence could be reduced, perhaps dramatically.

OTOH, we hear of so many mentally sick occurrences in Texas that I’m lead to believe the prolonged exposure to overwhelming amounts of petroleum related fumes has mentally altered a notable percentage of the state population. All the same, more frequent psychological testing of those who own and use firearms would help to identify this.
Actually it is typical of our Culture. Cities have been know to forgo installing Traffic Signals until some significant number of People are killed or maimed.

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