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MS Fowler · #31 06-07-2014, 12:43 PM

And despite the horrors, war also brings out some of the best--
-- in human nature, in self sacrifice, in heroism
-- in innovation and creativity
Is it ironic that something as bad was warfare can have good?

cmac2012 · #32 06-07-2014, 01:23 PM

I'm sometimes troubled by the way some seemingly lust for that glory and camaraderie that can come from war. One could have asked George Patton about how hard it is to find a good hot war. In Vietnam, we cycled officers in and out a good bit faster than enlisted personnel because officers need that combat experience, and for that, you need a war.

MS Fowler · #33 06-07-2014, 08:51 PM

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I'm sometimes troubled by the way some seemingly lust for that glory and camaraderie that can come from war. One could have asked George Patton about how hard it is to find a good hot war. In Vietnam, we cycled officers in and out a good bit faster than enlisted personnel because officers need that combat experience, and for that, you need a war.

There was a lot of stupidity in the running of the Viet Nam War. MacNamara was a business genius, but not a good military mind.

TwitchKitty · #34 06-08-2014, 10:12 AM

If you go back and read actual news stories around the world from the time of WWII they read just like the same stories from any other war.

Germany was kicking England's ass economically. Some people will tell you that WWII was about ending subsistance and ushering in the consumer age. And about who was to prosper from the consumer age.

I read a story about how Mussolini stomped out organized crime in Italy before WWII. Pretty impressive. That is not a widely told story.

martureo · #35 06-08-2014, 11:59 PM

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You would have preferred to allow Hitler to continue to enslave Europe, and exterminate millions more?

Not sure how you read that back into what I wrote, especially since I never mentioned Hitler.

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"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" attributed to Edmund Burke. (Although the thought is similar to his writings, the quote is probably apocryphal.) Regardless, there is truth expressed in that quote.

And I agree. Millions of Germans did nothing when Hitler came to power. Million of Austrians, French, British, etc did nothing to prevent him from doing what he did (none of it singlehandedly I might add).

The fallacy that you are assuming is that war is the answer after an abuse has grown to a certain stage. You might as well advocate the murder of an individual because of what he has become instead of recognizing the evils he was exposed to growing up. It's a bad solution way too late.

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Is the defense of the defenseless not something that we should do?

Sure. But where is the verse that says "pick up your sword"?

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I find Biblical precedent for defending the defenseless. Don't you?

I find Biblical precendent for pacifism. Don't you?

davidmash · #36 06-09-2014, 12:15 AM

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I'm not so sure the U.S. showed up to 'destroy the Nazis' as D-Day was seen as a repayment for what France had done for America in it's war for independence against the British (George Washington and the First Continental Army). Of course, liberating France from the Nazis would go a long way to settle the debt.

Huh?

davidmash · #37 06-09-2014, 12:21 AM

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At a point where the important decision concerning what language would become the nation's tongue, English only beat out German by a mere few votes.

WTF?

We don't have an official language. Never had an official language. There is no indication that there was ever a vote. Germans have never made up more than about 10% of the US population.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

HuskyMan · #38 06-09-2014, 09:21 AM

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WTF?

We don't have an official language. Never had an official language. There is no indication that there was ever a vote. Germans have never made up more than about 10% of the US population.

Where do you come up with this stuff?

National language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

German language in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

P.C. · #39 06-09-2014, 09:25 AM

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National language - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

German language in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You do understand that your first link did such a great job of shooting your own contention down in flames that most won't bother looking at the second link...

The introduction of a bill which is sent off to committee to die of old age does not constitute a vote on that bill.

HuskyMan · #40 06-09-2014, 09:40 AM

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You do understand that your first link did such a great job of shooting your own contention down in flames that most won't bother looking at the second link...

The introduction of a bill which is sent off to committee to die of old age does not constitute a vote on that bill.

from the article below:

"In any case, though, the ELA seems one final, and to some observers, paranoid, attempt to make up for the perceived humiliation of 1795, when English reportedly came within a hair’s-breadth of losing out as the official language of the United States in a vote which never really took place."

Do You Speak American . Sea to Shining Sea . Official American . English Only | PBS

Txjake · #41 06-09-2014, 09:44 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcEPdTy7_uE

HuskyMan · #42 06-09-2014, 09:53 AM

quote from the following link:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Vote

vote
c.1460, from L. votum "a vow, wish, promise, dedication," noun use of neut. of votus, pp. of vovere "to promise, dedicate" (see vow). The verb in the modern sense is attested from 1552; earlier it meant "to vow" to do something (1533).

davidmash · #43 06-09-2014, 10:17 AM

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from the article below:

"In any case, though, the ELA seems one final, and to some observers, paranoid, attempt to make up for the perceived humiliation of 1795, when English reportedly came within a hair’s-breadth of losing out as the official language of the United States in a vote which never really took place."

Do You Speak American . Sea to Shining Sea . Official American . English Only | PBS

Have you read any of this? Both links have clearly said the vote that you claim nearly made German the national language never happened. Hell, you posted right here in this post that the vote never happened.

Its really no fun if you make stuff up and then prove your self wrong.

We like to do the last part. Just saying.

HuskyMan · #44 06-09-2014, 11:33 AM

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Have you read any of this? Both links have clearly said the vote that you claim nearly made German the national language never happened. Hell, you posted right here in this post that the vote never happened.

Its really no fun if you make stuff up and then prove your self wrong.

We like to do the last part. Just saying.

This.

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090728193450AASQ5Aq

vote - definition of vote by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

German as a language was flourishing in the United States prior to WWI, however, with the coming of the War and anti-German feelings, the use of the language began to decline. With the advent of WWI, German-Americans almost immediately became the poster children for evil. With the coming of WWI, they were paired with Japanese Americans as the nation's poster children for evil. Somebody has to be blamed for all the crap, right?

GERMAN LANGUAGE IN THE UNITED STATES - German Language in the Us German Immigration to the United States The German Language in English German Demographics in United States The in German Germans in the USA English Only in United States German Populat

France's non-support for the invasion of Iraq in 2003, reignited prior Anti-French sentiment in the United States. If you are not with us, then you are against us.
W.A.R. (We Are Right) which means everyone else is WRONG.

quote from the following link:

Freedom fries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Freedom fries is a political euphemism for French fries in the United States. The term came to prominence in 2003 when the then Republican Chairman of the Committee on House Administration, Bob Ney, renamed the menu item in three Congressional cafeterias in response to France's opposition to the proposed invasion of Iraq. Although originally supported with several restaurants changing their menus as well, following declining support for the Iraq War, the term fell out of use. Following Ney's resignation as Chairman, it was quietly reverted."

Today's whipping post appears to be Muslim males from various middle eastern countries, Afghanistan and Iraq. I'm trying to figure out what race or nationality will be tomorrow's poster child or whipping post for evil. Anyone care to place a bet?

davidmash · #45 06-09-2014, 11:43 AM

This is what you said.

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Originally Posted by HuskyMan

At a point where the important decision concerning what language would become the nation's tongue, English only beat out German by a mere few votes.

If as you claim, "English only beat out German by a "mere few votes"" then there had to be a vote that you can point too. So point.

Election. When was it, who voted and what was the exact out come?

All the other BS is just noise.