What do you think?

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No chance of repeal, so we have to live with it for better or for worse.

I'll think about it while I'm doing my Sunday morning reloading and get back to you.

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As passed by the Congress and preserved in the National Archives:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, then-Secretary of State:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."

If someone does not like the wording, and that includes Mr. Obama, then get the grass-roots movement going and repeal or partially repeal the 2nd Amendment. Opps, I forgot, there's no such grass roots movement.

See, that's the problem. It's a handful of folks with an agenda and those folks are advocating changing the US Consitution. When a majority of folks comment on changing the Consitution which runs contrary to the social progressive crowd, the media and SPs go just crazy.

I agree with this. Gun possession is here to stay. I think we could have real regulations which would not interfere with the right to own guns but there is no will to do so and the gun lobbies are far to strong.

So we will just go through life with about 30,000 gun related deaths every year as acceptable. It is what it is.

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Here are some numbers from 2010, not sure of their accuracy but they are probably pretty close to reality:

31,672 firearm related deaths in 2010

Out of that, 61.2% are suicides, so around 19,383. Pretty sure if someone wants to off themself, they will find a way. I think eating a handful of pills and going to sleep is a lot easier than eating a bullet.

So, that knocks us down to 35% which are characterized as "homocides" or 11,085 which are not accidents, et cet.

The homocide rates by race show that black homocide rates are around 15.34%, which is more than 3x that of caucasions or asians. Rate of black gun homicides (this was the leading cause of death for blacks aged 15 to 29).

If we exclude gang members shooting other gang members, which is a smidgen over 80% of the gun violence, exclude cops blasting criminals (assume the shooting is legitimate since the sharp shooters will always bring out the handful of cases of bad cops as the "ah-ha moment"), exclude citizens defending themselves (avoid the Zimmerman-Martin debate), how many murders are there again? So, by my ciphering, that drives the effective number down to around 2,150-ish, give or take for a country of 300 million (using approximate numbers from 2010).

Now, take that number and compare it to the number of lives and property protected through the 2nd Amendment.

See, all those social scientists out there start to hate statistics when it runs counter to the social progressive agenda.

So, you want to change the Consitution based upon those numbers? Really ? Please tell me when the main stream media really broke down the numbers and pointed out the reality of "gun violence". We ALL know that gang members will follow gun statutes. Don't they?

When you throw out the 30K number, it sounds horrible, ... until you spend a few moments looking behind that number and the hype. Is 2K too many? OF COURSE, but how many folks defend their lives, family lives, and their property through the 2nd Amendment? I bet it's a smidgen over 2K folks.

We shouldn't be concerned with the peeps who died from gun accidents or 'et cet.'

We should be concerned with all untimley or "unnatural" deaths. Why are you attempting to distract from the real issue or present these side line issues? Does that really help the debate ? Does it?

Take the 2,150-ish number and dig a little further.

Take all the females who get tired of getting their azz's kicked by their "significant other" and they blast the male "wife beater". Personally, I would not count that group of homocides in the 2,150 number. So, where's the figure now? I am guessing it's now barely above or maybe even below 2,000. Start disecting the 2,150-ish number and I wonder if the "real" murders are over 1,000.

So, take a country of 300 million and you might be left with 1,000 "real" murders. Compare that against those who defended their own lives.

Can you come up with any legitimate argument that somehow supports the notion that I should lose my right to life and self-defense because of 1,000 to 2,000 "real" murders? Can you ? My guess is that there's no argument, but keep trying. It's somewhat humerous watching folks try to explain why I should lose my right to self-defense or defense of my family and property for what again? I know, the 2nd Amendement is somehow vauge.

Pleazzzz, get real.

Take that 31000 and exclude all gun deaths. Voila! Guns are safer than pillows!

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You can get smothered by a pillow.

Guns, like pillows, in responsible hands, are quite safe.

Jim

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We should outlaw stupid.

Ain't enough jails B.

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That's going to hurt!!!!

homocide.

Not going THERE, nosiree....

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There are approximately 88,000 deaths attributable to excessive alcohol use each year in the United States.....someone needs to do something.