Excellent link, thanks.

^x2

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Just a temporary bump in the road on the way to Marshall Law, Larry.

There's no such thing as; "the right to keep and bear arms" to many. The Bill of Rights, USC, with Amendments to it, and the Declaration of Independence DO NOT exist any longer.

All one needs to do is read study and understand the USSC's ruling here on Bakke v UCDavis, 1978. Thusly, -Discrimination, quotas and the like based on race, but not limited to race alone, are allowable, but not mandatory.

Thereby, ALL men are NOT created equal. If discrimination for any reason can be and has been upheld by the highest Court in the Land, then anything goes as per your right to bear arms.

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"We" can define a well-regulated militia" any way we wish. The better thing would be to determine what the Founders meant by that phrase.

This issue is like too many currently. People are all to eager to dismiss the Constitution, and the Laws of the land if they like what the person is doing. IOW, its OK to tramp on the Constitution if the goal is to help " the children", or some other favored group.
We are no longer a nation of laws; we are a nation of persons, and if the person who violates the law is "favored" its OK, but if they are a villain ( evil white guy. repub etc) then its bad.
We should all agree that the LAW is the LAW, but too many want to ignore law-breaking when it suits their personal agenda.

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Attacking 2A is really about control. Big government supporters who think the government will solve all of life's problems don't like it.

This is why owning firearms in totalitarian states is illegal.

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Totally made my day .

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2 Samuel 12:13: "David said to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord.” And Nathan said to David, “The Lord also has put away your sin; you shall not die."

I don't know about that....read Obama put the vacancy sign up across the land recently.

Here's a country that has a "well regulated militia". I wonder what people make of it.

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"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

Define "well regulated"? What was the definition and the common usage understanding of the term and it's application when the COTUS Bill of Rights was adopted in 1791?

Switzerland's "militia" is by definition a bigoted and hateful sexist patriarchal anachronism in that it consists exclusively of "able bodied men between the ages of 20 and 34" and the Swiss constitution does not recognize nor does it specifically prohibit the infringement of it's citizens individual right to "keep and bear arms"!

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it:

"Switzerland may have one of the highest personal gun ownership rates in the world.[44] It has an overall low crime rate by European standards, but it has one of the highest rates of gun homicide, and the highest gun suicide rate in Europe.[45][46] However Switzerland also has one of the world's lowest overall homicide rates, a rate considerably lower than the European average.[47]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_to_keep_and_bear_arms#United_States_of_America

From the same Wiki page this seems to comport more favorably with your stated views:

The right to keep and bear arms is explicitly rejected by the national constitution. Instead, the state is exclusively charged with "protecting and fortifying" the country.


"The State shall implement the line of self-reliant defence, the import of which is to arm the entire people, fortify the country, train the army into a cadre army and modernize the army on the basis of equipping the army and the people politically and ideologically."

























































Chapter IV, Article 60 of the Socialist Constitution of the Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) :

And they have holey cheese.

My quotation marks were there as scare quotes—I didn't necessarily want to make a judgment about whether it was a well-regulated militia or not. So the scare quotes mean "apparently/seemingly/possibly" or something along those lines.

Anyway, can you unpack what you mean by

I'm reading you as saying the age limits are very narrow and they should include women. Which, sure, that makes sense to me too.

As for the fact

I think that's neither here nor there, their constitution is theirs to shape as they see fit. I just want to know what people think of another Western country with a militia in place, what they like or don't like about it, and so on.

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

Sir, you have omitted raclette in your analysis.

It is not impossible that I was accused more than once over the winter of cooking too many French and Swiss dishes involving raclette on my nights to cook. Raclette, I know thee well!

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

Sounds like a slim-busted woman.

It makes me think of Candide, even though he was a boy.

BTW, I've always understood the language about militias similarly to what you wrote in post #27. But I didn't see the pincer movement before with the self-negating aspects of the 2nd amendment you mention at the end of that post.

That raises a third question I'm kind of curious about, for the people who are pro gun rights: are there any groups who you believe should not have access to guns? If so, who and why and how would you want to prevent that?

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

I haven't thought about that book in a long time. You're talkin' Voltaire?