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Skid Row Joe · #61 06-23-2014, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by OM603

But if your only engaging in the "female stream of consciousness thing" without obvious purpose or parameters, having been involved in longtime domestic partnership with a member of the fairer sex as well as parenting a couple young ladies from infancy into adulthood I completely understand that!

I gotta bookmark and commit this to memory, OM - thanks!

Botnst · #62 06-23-2014, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzasaurus

Yeah, I've read Candide, Descartes, and some Montaigne. I'd like to read more pre 20th c. French literature though. But I just don't have the time. I'm guessing you liked Candide, seems kind of up your alley.

My Mom got her undergrad degree with a major in French lit (Phi Beta Kappa Penn State). During WWII she got commissioned into the USN and worked in cryptography. 6 children and 40 years later she wrote her M.A. thesis on early Fr colonial architecture in Louisiana. Fr lit worked for her to make an interesting life.

I think I was 16 or 17 when I read Candide and it blew my mind. Much as Ayn Rand did during the same time period. Later I read Plato and Aristotle then Kant. After that I dabbled in a few philosophers across time but never really gave them a serious read, more like familiarization and reference. I discovered organic evolution and that changed the direction I was going.

Botnst · #63 06-23-2014, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by OM603

In the long course of human conflict are you basing your argument as to the suitability of women in combat as compared to the suitability of men on such an extraordinarily tiny field of dubious exceptions. Do you deny that throughout human history that men have engaged in mortal combat on both the winning and on the losing sides in orders of magnitude many times greater than women have? Are you trying to argue that because there may have been a few exceptions often in unique circumstances where a women might have been afforded a "leadership" role that there is any substantial evidence of a predominantly female force has defeated a predominantly male force anywhere at any time across the arch of human conflict? Can you cite a single example where the balance of the conflict was in great significance thrown to one side due to the inclusion of women combatants that the opposing side failed to avail itself of similarly.

I served when the mission and primary objective was to impose our national will through the overwhelming force of arms, a couple hundreds of thousands of years of evolution has selected one gender better equipped to stomp on an opposing motherforkers chest and bayonet the same through his neck, than the other despite the current PC dogma to the contrary. And ultimately it always comes down exactly that in the end.

A female aircraft, helicopter or drone pilot or missile launch officer can kill as many men as as one could desire.

Finding a front line in the wars we have fought for the previous half-century or so is rather difficult, often making camp followers impromptu warriors. They are better off having some combat skills then not.

There are some duties for which gentle, weak, kind-hearted, nurturing people are ill-suited. There are some duties for which they are. Doesn't matter whether they are male or female.

I think an exception in my mind are assault troops on the ground. That takes physical strength and something I believe is almost uniquely masculine -- the ability to set-aside one's humanity for a goal. We see this in crime stats. We see it in the more formal battlefield of warfare. Sure, women can be violent and dangerous. There are even some few women who can do as most men can do with relative ease -- become a killer of men. But most women aren't that way and don't want to be. Hell, most men don't want to be, but it usually doesn't take much to make them so.

Botnst · #64 06-23-2014, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Air&Road

Ever check into the pregnancy rate of women in the military?

Now that is a really important statistic. Also, the pregnancy rate skyrockets in war, among both service and civilian women exposed to war directly. Sure, we all know that men are half the cause of pregnancy, but the fact of the matter is, only one of the pair is incapacitated by the event. And if the woman is pregnant in-theater, resources must be diverted to either terminate the pregnancy or care for the mom and fetus. This isn't an especially valuable war fighting technique. To be successful in war requires the fighters to be focused on their duty, not their pregnancy or the pregnancy of their buddy.

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(This is not unique to military. If we stick a handful of boys and girls between 18 and 30 into an isolated situation for several months, there will be motherhood. That's the way we are wired and we don't learn to subdue our passions without a great conscious effort or tremendous external pressure. Discipline is difficult for youngsters who smell each other's bodies. I remember…. I think we all do. It's wonderful madness.)

Benzasaurus · #65 06-23-2014, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by OM603

If you get lucky, be safe, make sure he wears a condom!

Is skippy gay, or are you a homophobe?

Benzasaurus · #66 06-23-2014, 10:04 AM

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Benzasaurus · #67 06-23-2014, 10:05 AM

P.S. I'm still really curious about what other guns rights supporters have to say on these issues.

Benzasaurus · #68 06-23-2014, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Botnst

My Mom got her undergrad degree with a major in French lit (Phi Beta Kappa Penn State). During WWII she got commissioned into the USN and worked in cryptography. 6 children and 40 years later she wrote her M.A. thesis on early Fr colonial architecture in Louisiana. Fr lit worked for her to make an interesting life.

I think I was 16 or 17 when I read Candide and it blew my mind. Much as Ayn Rand did during the same time period. Later I read Plato and Aristotle then Kant. After that I dabbled in a few philosophers across time but never really gave them a serious read, more like familiarization and reference. I discovered organic evolution and that changed the direction I was going.

Cryptography is the coolest. I don't know what I would study if I got a chance to do a second career. Probably a science, maybe some form of hard maths or physics. Medicine is also v. appealing. Your mother sounds like a very impressive person. p.s. Kant is so tedious, but sometimes so spot on.

Dudesky · #69 06-23-2014, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Benzasaurus

P.S. I'm still really curious about what other guns rights supporters have to say on these issues.

Why is that?

Cass Sunstein recruit you or what?

TheDon · #70 06-23-2014, 10:38 AM

I wish we could form militias and not have them chock full of white supremacists or the "gun nut" type of people.
Just a organized group of citizens that can assist the police and govt in times of crisis

Botnst · #71 06-23-2014, 10:47 AM

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I wish we could form militias and not have them chock full of white supremacists or the "gun nut" type of people.
Just a organized group of citizens that can assist the police and govt in times of crisis

You can. Just start your own and say, "No white supremacists". Bingo, you've got your militia.

That's what the "Black Panthers" did, and they were unconstitutionally suppressed (often by murder) by a racist government.

Dudesky · #72 06-23-2014, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDon

I wish we could form militias and not have them chock full of white supremacists or the "gun nut" type of people.
Just a organized group of citizens that can assist the police and govt in times of crisis

You ever see the gun toting brothers at some of the Tea Party rallies? What you talk of are very fringe at the least....not your average citizen who also believes in the 2nd and shoots for fun and family protection.

I've had the pleasure of talking with many gun nuts at the range who are lawyers, milkmen, teachers, preachers and what not.

Botnst · #73 06-23-2014, 10:50 AM

Begs the question of how we variously define "gun nut".

Txjake · #74 06-23-2014, 11:06 AM

"shall not be infringed" pretty much sums it up. simple statement that anti freedom nuts have been try to parse to their advantage almost since they were written.

And, the weapons most owned during the initial day of the BOR were weapons similar or identical to that of the Federal forces, ie military weapons. Ergo, modern citizens are also afforded that same right. Nowhere does it say that the people must have inferior arms and the government have superior arms. That in fact is the nexus of the protective nature of the 2nd; If the government becomes oppressive enough and cannot be changed by elective process, then the citizens may protect themselves from same said oppression.

it is really cunningly simple, thus why people like the OP and others who don't trust a free society will have to abolish the whole Constitution in order to suceed with the "brave new world" they want. The outcome is not certain for either side, but those who think the populace will go along willingly are betting a fool's wager.

Air&Road · #75 06-23-2014, 11:12 AM

Ms. Saurus,

WHY are you asking for individual opinions?

WHY did you call me Larry?