Some peeps just ain't wired right, and 2A doesn't address that issue.

You mean "Perps" not "peeps" don't you?

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Well, kinda. But we may not like the answer much.

So you've abandoned your original interest in the COTUS 2nd Amendment or you're specifically attempting to derail the conversation you initiated into the pros and cons of Federal Swiss militia practice?

Having served in the Armed Forces of the US I have no objection to woman as "camp followers" but my own experiences force me to conclude that enlisting women in organizations meant to project force of arms is an abysmal failure and has had extremely deleterious effect on the capacity to impose our national will upon the our foes.

I confess to being somewhat mystified about interjection of the Swiss militia as some sort of exemplar when as I've stated it is clearly fits the definition of a bigoted and hateful organization by your own recent accounts as to the criteria for designation as such.

But if your only engaging in the "female stream of consciousness thing" without obvious purpose or parameters, having been involved in longtime domestic partnership with a member of the fairer sex as well as parenting a couple young ladies from infancy into adulthood I completely understand that!

Yeah, I've read Candide, Descartes, and some Montaigne. I'd like to read more pre 20th c. French literature though. But I just don't have the time. I'm guessing you liked Candide, seems kind of up your alley.

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

Quite honestly, I'm just trying to ask questions to find out what people who are pro gun rights think about different things because I am genuinely curious what their opinions are.

I brought up the Swiss militia model because I was wondering what people would make of it. I am not trying to derail the thread, I'm just trying to ask questions to get a better understanding of the other sides of the issue.

And as an aside, what are you talking about with the "female stream of consciousness thing"? I'm just asking a series of new questions as answers come in on the previous ones.

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

"Camp followers" = hookers, right?

Rather have THEM around than some REMFs.


ZIIIIIIIIIIING !

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1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

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It's not cool to compare women working in army camps to prostitutes. Some of them are vets and all of them are doing their bit for their country too.

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"You know, times are changing. Ladies can do stuff now and you're going to have to learn how to deal with it."
"What? Were you saying something? Look, I don't speak Spanish."

Wow! How long ago were you in? And have you ever heard of Lyudmila Pavlichenko? Or Boadicea? Joan of Arc maybe?

Back to the original subject, I rather like my firearms and would like to continue to own and use them. I think the overwhelming majority of people should enjoy the same freedom, as guaranteed in the 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. In addition to the fact that firearms are fun, allowing people the means to defend themselves and their property tends to decrease crime. See John Lott for specifics.

There are certain people who shouldn't have firearms. Most of them have demonstrated their unfitness for being armed by getting themselves convicted of a felony. We do suffer from nutters doing bad stuff with weapons (Columbine, VA Tech, theater in Colorado, Carson City IHOP shooter, skinny BMW dude, etc). At present, there isn't much of a legal way of identifying those people and keeping them away from weapons. It might be a good idea to make some changes there, but we must be very careful to keep that from becoming a means for the authorities to disarm sane people because of unpopular political opinions and such.

Obligatory inflammatory rhetoric:

You will get my gun when you pry it from my cold dead hands.

Molon labe!

/Obligatory inflammatory rhetoric

Ever wonder why the NRA is so much more powerful than the National Motorists Association? Probably two hundred million people drive in America on any given day. I doubt even a tenth of that number go shooting.

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99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

(The last person as wrong as you got off an airplane in 1938 waving a piece of paper in his hand).

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Look up camp follower in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.

Camp follower is a term used to identify civilians who follow armies. Camp followers have historically been informal army service providers, servicing the needs of encamped soldiers, in particular selling goods or services that the military does not supply—these have included cooking, laundering, liquor, nursing, sexual services and sutlery.

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1995 E 420, 170k "The Red Plum" (sold)

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1967 Mercury Cougar, 49k

2013 Jaguar XF, 20k <----340 hp Supercharged, All Wheel Drive (sold)

In the long course of human conflict are you basing your argument as to the suitability of women in combat as compared to the suitability of men on such an extraordinarily tiny field of dubious exceptions. Do you deny that throughout human history that men have engaged in mortal combat on both the winning and on the losing sides in orders of magnitude many times greater than women have? Are you trying to argue that because there may have been a few exceptions often in unique circumstances where a women might have been afforded a "leadership" role that there is any substantial evidence of a predominantly female force has defeated a predominantly male force anywhere at any time across the arch of human conflict? Can you cite a single example where the balance of the conflict was in great significance thrown to one side due to the inclusion of women combatants that the opposing side failed to avail itself of similarly.

I served when the mission and primary objective was to impose our national will through the overwhelming force of arms, a couple hundreds of thousands of years of evolution has selected one gender better equipped to stomp on an opposing motherforkers chest and bayonet the same through his neck, than the other despite the current PC dogma to the contrary. And ultimately it always comes down exactly that in the end.

Merely calling out some of the more obvious examples of military excellence on the part of females.

There are a lot more Chevys than Porsches. Does that mean a Chevy is automatically superior to a Porsche?

Not at the moment, but now I know what my homework is going to be.

I've heard it argued that the outcome of WWII was significantly influenced by the greater use the Allies made of women in military and industrial roles vice the Axis. It was something I heard on the History Channel late one night. I may be able to get you an actual citation tomorrow.

I will concede that for physical reasons most young men are better suited to the infantry than most young women. However, you know as well as I do that the majority of people in the military aren't infantry. I look forward to continuing this discussion tomorrow. Right now it's time for me to head to the bar.

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83 300D Turbo with manual conversion, early W126 vented front rotors and H4 headlights 401,xxx miles
08 Suzuki GSX-R600 M4 Slip-on 26,xxx miles
88 Jaguar XJS V12 94,xxx miles. Work in progress.
99 Mazda Miata 183,xxx miles.

If you get lucky, be safe, make sure he wears a condom!

I see you are interested in asking questions, but not too keen on answering them.

Who/what made you refer to me as Larry?

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Ever check into the pregnancy rate of women in the military?

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