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Old 10-16-2010, 12:43 AM
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No crank- OVP?

I was having some issues with no cranking in P position, but it always worked in N. I was prepared to change the neutral safety switch. This evening, in either position, no cranking at all. Lights, radio, etc. all work, but no starter cranking at all. I checked battery voltage and it read fine. Could this have anything to do with my OVP? I seem to recall someone mentioning the OVP could cause a no start situation, not sure if it means no cranking or no starting.
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Old 10-16-2010, 12:48 AM
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I would think your NSS just failed completly if you have been starting in neutral because park didnt work.
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Old 10-16-2010, 12:54 AM
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I would think your NSS just failed completly if you have been starting in neutral because park didnt work.
The P position was good 80% of the time, this evening nothing in either position. No starter spinning. I had this issue before and if you wait a few hours, or days, the crazy thing starts right up as though you were dreaming.
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Old 10-16-2010, 04:42 AM
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HOLD the brake pedal down tight, then put the key in to the crank position and run the shifter back and forth, it might be out of adjustment to the point where it will only crank in gear (reverse or drive), have seen it before.
It's possible that you actually have worn shift rod bushings, might not be the NSS.
Car will definitely crank w/o the OVP. Will RUN without the OVP. Will RUN without the ECU, actually!
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Old 10-16-2010, 05:27 AM
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Agree with Gilly. The OVP is responsible for a lot of things (and blamed for even more), but not for a no-start or even a no-run condition in a CIS-equipped motor like yours.
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If the weather is cold enough, you can possibly get a no-start with a bad/missing OVP, as the engine (injection, actually) is tuned to run, even without the OVP or ECU, in a warmed state (because the engineers figure they should tune it to run "OK" with a warm engine instead of a cold engine, which makes sense, why tune it to run OK only when cold, only to have it run like crap once you get it warmed up?). But either way, the OVP has nothing to do with the starter operating.
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Agree with Gilly. The OVP is responsible for a lot of things (and blamed for even more), ....
OVP's have been blamed for hunger in third world countries.
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:16 AM
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Hopefully the bushings will keep the NSS stay in proper position to work in both P and N.
I was told the Bosch rebuilds were problematic, so he installed some other brand.
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Old 10-20-2010, 10:02 PM
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Bosch rebuilt NSS??? HUH???
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Old 10-21-2010, 01:11 AM
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Bosch rebuilt NSS??? HUH???
Sorry, I was at work and didn't clear out my thoughts properly. I meant the starter would be a non Bosch rebuild.. Not the NSS.
I'll be picking up the car tomorrow. He mentioned that a few bushings were changed and did not mention a new NSS. I assume he adjusted the switch and now it starts in both P and N..Now I have to pay...
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Old 10-21-2010, 07:33 AM
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That might be his opinion on Bosch rebuilds, I wouldn't say anything contrary, but my opinion on Bosch rebuilds is very high, would be my first choice.
OF course I have been out of the mechanics biz for awhile, I imagine they might be farming out the rebuild work to 3rd world countries now.
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Old 10-21-2010, 04:14 PM
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My past with Bosch rebuilds have always been good, that's why I specified Bosch to him. He stated that he has experienced a few defective Bosch units recently. Maybe they are sourcing to a lower cost rebuilder...

Just got the car back. New starter(rebuilt), new bushings. The new bushings are nylon like rather than the rubber units replaced. The front bushing was only 1/2 there and the back bushing was intact, but with oval shape. He had to take the shifter arm off and heat up the nylon units to press them in.

Now it starts as it should. Whether P or N.

Thanks for all the help and suggestions. Otherwise, I would still be underneath looking.

Next job, exhaust manifold gasket replacement... got a little ticking coming out of number 4... It just never ends.

Thanks, especially to Gilly.
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