ok, here is how i see it.

for the record i do not use biodiesel, WVO or SVO. mainly because i don't want to hurt my engine. not because i believe that the engine can't run it or shouldn't run it, but because i live in an apartment and i cannot filter or brew the fuel safely. it is just not a feasable option for me.

now, i know that road taxes need to be paid. so what i would propose is the DMV should offer the option of paying road tax with your regestration (a flat fee). and then give you some kind of stamp on your registration saying it was paid. this way if you were ever questioned about not payign you would have proof that you paid. and then you could make as much fuel as you wanted and still have contributed to the roads.

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I think he is acting like a troll. Saying something he knows will get everyone in the discussion all riled up.

He is very knowledgeable/helpful on topics not pertaining to biodiesel though...

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John Robbins
'05 E320 CDI - 240k
'87 300TD - 318k

Yes the comment was bait for sure. I almost added a reply saying something to the effect of "don't take the bait", but then I was so pissed about the comment that I took the bait

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-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon

There is more to this than meets me eyes...

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2012 SLK 350
1987 420 SEL

Ahh yes, it goes very deep. We should take it to OD and analyze Lance.

What are you doing in here anyway Mistress?

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-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon

SirNik84: that will not work sadly. you see that would make it an illegal tax.

First you would be paying it twice (since they CLEARLY would not remove the fuel tax they would want both)

But then currently its an excise tax. this means it taxes WHAT YOU USE if you do not use it you do not pay it.

To make it an apportioned tax is very different (like your state income tax)

You would then be "adding" effectively to your state tax. What happens to the person with the electric car or the person who gets 50mpg and are paying the same tax as the person who gets 8mpg with there motorhome.

They simply should not be bothering these people. as long as they are not selling is distributing the fuel they are breaking no laws and the state critters need to back off.

That would be like charging you a fine for adding some "additive" to your fuel you bought from pepboys I mean your buying 16oz less gas for that tank your sticking it to the state for 16oz of tax.

My taxes pay for the road. Accusing me of tax evasion for not paying for gasoline is like accusing someone of tax evasion for using a bicycle or for not paying ENOUGH taxes because they use a motorcycle and get 50mpg or better.

Its silly and they know it someones got a big stick up there butts and needs someone to grab that stick and twist it a bit. Wake them up.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

Does not make sense to me. The energy from the typical hybrid all comes from the gasoline used to charge to batteries. The running on electricity statement is misleading, unless it is a plug-in hybrid.

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sophie2
1987 300TD, 168K
1981 300D 220K
1968 250S W115 Diesel Converted,
2006 E320 CDI
2006 Yanmar 3YM30 / Vindo Sloop
29 Vintage Bicycles

We all should not forget, the inventor of the diesel engine, Dr. Diesel, designed it with the prime fuel being vegetable oil produced by the farmers. The first tree hugger and alternative fuel forefather.

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thats because thats not where it gets most of its E from.

Regenerative Braking is where it gets most of its E from. otherwise there would be little benefit to running a hybrid. :-) ie everytime they stop they recover some of that energy (a lot actually its really impressive) which reduces the demand when they GO again.

also the IC's are instant on. they are shut off when at a standstill when you GO if there is enough E you just go on electric and then at around 25mph the IC kicks in to provide the extra go power. when you "coast" or brake to a stop the IC turns off and the regenerative braking kicks in so your now not using any gas and your recovering E from the regen system.

Pretty cool the problem is 50mpg blows. a 25 year old rabbit gets that and any modern vw or mb diesel can also get that.

Just wait till they can make a diesel instant on (they are working on it) then you will see some truly impressive mileage. if they do not intentionally cripple it. 150mpg should be easy with diesel and new battery tech.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

Yup, and to add. You can get a TDI Lupo or Polo that get in the 60-80MPG range.

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-justin

1987 300TD, 1987 300TD
2008 R32, 2000 Passat Wagon

What are car inspections?

This would work for me...my odometer stopped about 50,000 miles ago.

-Jim

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1995 S350D, Green with black leather interior.
Bought January 2008 w/ 233,xxx miles.
I did 22,000 miles during the first year of ownership.

except that this PUNISHED people who get more fuel effecient cars. its like slapping them in the face if you ask me :-) I think it should be the way this kind of tax is SUPPOSED to be. by apportionment. number of people in country who have cars divided into how much money is ACTUALLY needed to support the road infrastructure MINUS fed money grants tolls etc.. and THATS how much every driver pays. THAT would be fair. but it would have to have oversight so it is not like our current federal taxes ie 35%+ of every dime you make. :-( ie WAY more money than they can possibly justify.

ALSO I would gladly JUST pay the "tax" per gallon on the alternative fuels I use as long as I can deduct my COSTS in making this fuel from it. IE I am doing my share to help the environment and reduce our fuel load I should not be punished for this.

Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/

Right on!

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'83 240D with 617.952 and 2.88
'01 VW Beetle TDI
'05 Jeep Liberty CRD
'89 Toyota 4x4, needs 2L-T
'78 280Z with L28ET - 12.86@110
Oil Burner Kartel #35

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[quote=nerys;1444924]ALSO I would gladly JUST pay the "tax" per gallon on the alternative fuels I use as long as I can deduct my COSTS in making this fuel from it. IE I am doing my share to help the environment and reduce our fuel load I should not be punished for this.
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Amen, brother! I pay the tank and fuel tax fee in VA--no problem with it at all. My car uses and wears the roads just like everyone else's. But, good gosh, give me something in return for reducing dependence on foreign oil, reducing emissions and making a fuel from a waste product that ends up in land fills. If Exxon can get incentive money from the government, why can't I?

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1998 E300D, 287k, barely broken in.

if they taxed the odometer, id kick back my miles for that day