A Modest Proposal WVO/Biodiesel forum interest

[ForcedInduction]

Originally Posted by dieseldan44

I no longer use it: I run a two tank WVO system instead. The two tank rig is so so so much better in so many ways.

Not by any standard.

Making biodiesel is tantalizingly easy.

aka, lazy.

Originally Posted by bgiovan

But may I ask, how is the Prius driver similarly taxed? How about the Volt driver.

Fuel. Neither of those cars get good enough gas mileage to be of any concern, many cars from the 70's and 80's get significantly better mileage without any electronics let alone $5000 in batteries and computers. Electric cars have no future, the current "hybrid" cars alone strain the worlds supply of raw battery materials, there aren't enough resources to make enough cars to displace IC engines.

I prefer to not support Chavez, Ahmedinejad and the other dooshbags out there who gladly take our money and use it to kill us.

Thanks for letting us know you don't know where most of our oil actually comes from.
http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

[thayer]

Originally Posted by vstech

you can get a 617 at the pullapart for about 100... last I checked.
we have a wvo/bio sticky at the top of the forum... how hard would it be to add in a wvo subforum like the performance section?

Yeah but I figure with all the peripheral stuff including the chance of getting a bad engine the first couple of times.

It would take me about a month and a half to recover the 500$ in fuel savings.

everything I have read has lead me to believe that a good two tank system with very clean wvo and an efficient fuel heater is the most economical and efficient way.

We'll see if my car starts today with it's gallon of waste motor oil on top of about 15 gallons of diesel.

[bgiovan]

Aw Forced, c'mon you old curmudgeon. One of your key points early on in this thread was biodieselers were a bunch of law breakers bent on cheating the government from tax revenue. I pointed out the Prius and Volt driver argument to you and you spun into a discussion about fuel economy. The government picks (and subsidizes) winners and losers based on politics.

It's ok. You can be nice and say that everyone is entitled to their own opinion. One thing you did validate for me was my 90%+ posit. Thanks!

Thanks for the link about the oil producers, do yourself a favor and research the trail of petrodollars (regardless of country) and get back to us. To be sure, all the countries listed on that link (a US Government link which most certainly makes it true and credible) reads like a who's who of our friends and allies. I feel much better and stand corrected.

What it boils down to is this: people by and large are inherently lazy and refuse to accept that another valid possibility exists on anything because it challenges the norm. You can be lazy and make sh!!ty fuel. You can be lazy and drive to the station on the corner and dump in your $3.29 a gallon for D1/D2 and drive off. Or you can take the time to *properly* educate yourself and get involved in becoming self-sustained.

All the things you cite as reasons biodiesel is bad (safety, insurance, taxes, etc.) are red herrings and you know it. Those same concerns can be said for just about any activity. It's all in doing things right vs. cutting corners and being a moron.

Nothing personal on my end, just love having the discussion. Problem is you have folks who know it all and if you do not agree with them you are a moron and are flamed on boards like this.

To everyone who said I should have bought a used engine instead of a reman; read this thread.

[layback40]

Originally Posted by vstech

you can get a 617 at the pullapart for about 100... last I checked.
we have a wvo/bio sticky at the top of the forum... how hard would it be to add in a wvo subforum like the performance section?

Hey John,
Your the Mod !! How come you are asking us !!
Probably could save yourself plenty of grief.

WVO/Bio threads often cause problems. We have many people who have strong political views about crude oil imports. We have passionate believers who want the best for motors. Then a few who sit on the fence throwing stones. There are a few very decent Bio guys who dont try to flame things up.

The anti WVO guys appear to stay out of the WVO/Bio sticky. The grease guys for some reason want to spread their views in here.

A new subforum? Maybe some thing for Bill Wood to do?

As appears to happen often, we get some one posting in here with all sorts of problems, when asked if they run alt fuels, they get very up tight ~ "its not the WVO I am using that is causing the stuck rings, blocked filters etc".
Next thing, we have a discussion going on that makes OD look tame!!

I agree, how about relocating this type of stuff to a separate forum.

[John Schroader]

I submit that Forced Induction be limited to the 'Grumpy Old Diesel Owners' portion of the forum. All he lacks is age.

[bgiovan]

I hate that these things always (invariably) get polarized. But, alas it is what it is as they say. For those interested, the biodiesel.infopop.cc site is a pretty good one. For those not interested, that's cool. We still share our love of the good ole clacka clacka clacka. Look forward to continuing this dialog in a more suitable spot.

[Zacharias]

Originally Posted by ForcedInduction

"Biodiesel" to some people = WVO/SVO, which is clearly illegal.

How is WVO/SVO illegal?

[vstech]

Originally Posted by Zacharias

How is WVO/SVO illegal?

any untaxed fuel burned in a state that does not allow it to be burned is illegal, unless you pay quarterly taxes on the miles driven.

NC IS NOT one of those states. I don't know which states have exceptions for wvo other than NC.

[bgiovan]

NC is very progressive and frankly a model for the rest of the nation. Piedmont Biofuels is a leader/trailblazer in NC. Oregon and Washington State are really progressive also. But aside from the handful who embrace it, the fact is most states look at biodiesel and biodiesel production on the same par as toxic chemical processing (which is a joke when you consider the inputs...I digress). Back to my original belief, 90+% are never going to accept anything that is contrary to their known way of life as being valid. However I betcha once D1/D2 gets to $5 a gallon you'll start to see a lot of converts! :-)

[oldsinner111]

To many people here that just pick fights.I guess most Benz drivers are a-holes.
Lots of forums for wvo and biodiesel.

[vstech]

Originally Posted by bgiovan

NC is very progressive and frankly a model for the rest of the nation. Piedmont Biofuels is a leader/trailblazer in NC. Oregon and Washington State are really progressive also. But aside from the handful who embrace it, the fact is most states look at biodiesel and biodiesel production on the same par as toxic chemical processing (which is a joke when you consider the inputs...I digress). Back to my original belief, 90+% are never going to accept anything that is contrary to their known way of life as being valid. However I betcha once D1/D2 gets BACK to $5 a gallon you'll start to see a lot of converts! :-)

heh, I edited it for ya...

Originally Posted by vstech

heh, I edited it for ya...

The problem is that it needs to stay at $5 if you want people to change their behavior. As it is, everyone knows it will go up and then come back down. We are not going to see any serious (commercial) alternative fuel development until we know the price will stay at a reasonable level. This whole silly debate will go away when there are sources of commercial BD (taxed) at a competitive price.

[retmil46]

Aye, there's the rub - either "conventional" fuels need to go UP in price, or alternatives need to come DOWN in price, for there to be any realistic competition or choices.

But then you have the government meddling in the marketplace with boondoggles such as their ethanol program, and as was said, letting politics pick the marketplace winners and losers.