Specialized Indicator for IP Timing - Page 8 - PeachParts Mercedes-Benz Forum

funola · #**106** 01-31-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Generator John

Hi,
I am the proud owner of an AVL 823. I don't have the RIV sensor though, but found your message whilst researching it, Mercedes part number 617 589 10 21 00

The part you mention correctly has a loop for an inductive spark pickup and could be used with any such strobe or engine tester, but the RIV probe I mention plugs directly into the AVL 823, the same socket as a clamp impulse detector KG-6 etc. for injector lines

I am currently trying to find a wiring diagram for the RIV, or somebody willing to give me the pinouts and short locations (how it determines which device is plugged in) from the cable plug.

I have got full data and circuit descriptions and diagrams of the AVL 823 diesel tester, but there's very little on the RIV sensor, which can be used dynamically as you say. I'm sure this device could be interfaced with a timing light without the rest of the boxes with a little imagination, it's probably just an inductive pick-up.
If you could use the manuals (.pdf) just let me know.

617 589 10 21 00 RIV transmitter is available special order non returnable from Pelican parts for $525.00! Did you try contacting AVL? Maybe it's cheaper from them?

Sure, I'd like to see your manuals. Maybe I can even build you a RIV transmitter if I can figure out what's required (from looking at the manual- if it has the details needed).

Generator John · #**107** 02-01-2015, 10:26 AM

I hate to mention this on an oilers page! (I do drive a diesel of course!) My hobby is small generators, and I got the AVL 823 to help with diesel timing on the Chinese clones of the single cylinder Yanmar engines, where it performs well.. what I'm trying to do is actually interface a spark pickup (inductive) to the Transducer socket, so I can use the rev counter on petrol (gas) engines, my next step is to compare the outputs from both to see if some attenuation is required.
I was hoping for the RIV pinouts so that I can see if a short is required for switching between the injector line transducer or RIV pickup.

I got the AVL 823 (branded LUCAS in the UK) for a song, about 65$ and after a clean it was like new. I have contacted AVL, to get the manuals but they are not very helpful with obsolete (their words not mine!) equipment and I don't need a proper RIV as such!

Thanks so far, and what is the best way to get the manuals copies to you?

funola · #**108** 02-02-2015, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Generator John

I hate to mention this on an oilers page! (I do drive a diesel of course!) My hobby is small generators, and I got the AVL 823 to help with diesel timing on the Chinese clones of the single cylinder Yanmar engines, where it performs well.. what I'm trying to do is actually interface a spark pickup (inductive) to the Transducer socket, so I can use the rev counter on petrol (gas) engines, my next step is to compare the outputs from both to see if some attenuation is required.
I was hoping for the RIV pinouts so that I can see if a short is required for switching between the injector line transducer or RIV pickup.

I got the AVL 823 (branded LUCAS in the UK) for a song, about 65$ and after a clean it was like new. I have contacted AVL, to get the manuals but they are not very helpful with obsolete (their words not mine!) equipment and I don't need a proper RIV as such!

Thanks so far, and what is the best way to get the manuals copies to you?

PM sent

Generator John · #**109** 02-10-2015, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by funola

PM sent

Got a sort of result! Lots of reading the maintenance manual gave me the idea that there was some sort of selection process to differentiate between an RIV sensor and a KG (injector line ) sensor, and it was a short between RIV/KG select line and KG low volts which is also fed volts cc via a pot. devider
So it recognised the device, a simple spark inductive pickup, consisting of a ferrite loop and coil of about 0.3 ohms...

I had to test it on my mower! (I don't drive a gas car and the Honda is awaiting parts,) it is reading RPM x 2 I believe!

Bcak to the drawing board! I might just try putting the inductive loop on the KG (inj line) input next!

Tim Wheeler · #**110** 12-06-2015, 09:46 PM

Hey. Are there any members who have a digital IP position sensor they would be willing to rent out for a week?

I sent a PM to MB Doc, but I haven't heard back. His reference to renting one out is a few years old.

Tim

C.Doner · #**111** 12-07-2015, 10:51 AM

I do have the tool. I will rent it. I have to get full price for a deposit. Rent is $30. I can use paypal.

Tim Wheeler · #**112** 12-10-2015, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by C.Doner

I do have the tool. I will rent it. I have to get full price for a deposit. Rent is $30. I can use paypal.

Where are you located, and what is the full price deposit?

Tim

C.Doner · #**113** 12-12-2015, 10:43 AM

Somewhere in the 500$ range . It is hard to ask for such a large deposit, but I can't loose out if it is not returned. I will have to see what the price is now. It seems to be going up. last I checked it was $420 but seems to have gone through the roof at $550. I will make a call and see next week.
Holidays are extreme for me as I am one of Santa's helpers. I can try before holidays but not sure. PM me

gsxr · #**114** 12-25-2015, 01:03 PM

Last I heard the A-B light box tool (617-589-08-21-00) was NLA as of 2013 or early 2014. Not sure if that's the one you are referring to or not...

funola · #**115** 07-27-2016, 02:49 PM

I posted to this thread in 2014 while doing research in building a timing light. I never followed up with the result. It is a finished project and has been working great.

Click to play video. Excuse the rapping noise. The inductive timing light was laying against the power steering pump vibrating/ making the noise while I held the camera with one hand and operating the throttle with the other.

wwii · #**116** 07-27-2016, 03:06 PM

Any chance on sharing parts info, design, specs??

funola · #**117** 07-27-2016, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by wwii

Any chance on sharing parts info, design, specs??

No chance of that. My original intent was to build one for myself and if successful build them to sell. I have not done much with the latter.

jay_bob · #**118** 07-27-2016, 04:49 PM

Check out this YouTube, Dieselmeken demonstrates the use of this tool. It is on a 606 but the principle is the same for the older engines as well.

https://youtu.be/2DHD6UoALto

Dragonfly · #**119** 12-29-2017, 01:14 AM

Have read the threads for the A-B light Box (static) #617 589 08 21 00 to time the IP. Would like to purchase a new or used unit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Rebuilding three 603's.

Diesel911 · #**120** 12-29-2017, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragonfly

Have read the threads for the A-B light Box (static) #617 589 08 21 00 to time the IP. Would like to purchase a new or used unit. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Rebuilding three 603's.

At samstagsales.com the A-B Light is listed as no longer avaliable.

However, you said you are rebuilding the Engines and the Timing Locking Pin (around $37) is made just for that to time the Fuel Injection Pump when you are inserting the Fuel Injection Pump into the Engine.

In the diagram showing theTiming Locking Pin installed I circled the area where the timing locking pin locks into a tang on the governor weight carrier.

That is the same tang on the governor weight carrier that the A-B light uses when you use it for timing. Because both tools use the tang I don't see that the A-B light would do a better job of timing then the Timing Locking Pin.