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Old 11-01-2007, 10:54 PM
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What do you think of this W201 190D

http://tampa.craigslist.org/car/440322728.html


I think 5k for the issues it has is a little high.. maybe $3500 for the rust and the rocker panel dent...

then there is this one I am waiting for a reply on

http://tampa.craigslist.org/car/437437821.html


Kinda interested in the 190D.. even though its not a "proper" Mercedes it does get pretty good MPG


The gold one is still for sale.. I want to find out more about it.. I kinda want 30 mpg... I hope it is turbo


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Old 11-01-2007, 11:09 PM
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Not a big 190 fan, kind of small for my tastes.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:14 PM
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Yea,I know.. but I like small cars...

But. I am TheDon.. an SDL would be fitting.. its just not showing up in my life ^_^
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:15 PM
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what?

"Asking price is $5,000/obo. Classic NADA average condition for this car is over $4,000. Please, SERIOUS INQUIRIES ONLY!!!! Can send links to additional photos to SERIOUS BUYERS"

NADA average value definition: This vehicle would be in good condition overall. It could be an older restoration or a well-maintained original vehicle. Completely operable. The exterior paint, trim, and mechanics are presentable and serviceable inside and out. A "20-footer".

Big dents, oxidation, rust, torn leather, certainly noticable at 20 feet, and the car is not completely operable. He's even pricing it closer to high average, which is 5900. NADA doesn't take mileage into consideration either. This guy needs to get real, but it is possible that someone may pay that much. Judging from the nice w123 parked next to it this guy may be attached to his diesels, and we all know how hard it is to let go sometimes.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:19 PM
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yea.. you know us diesel owners..
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:30 PM
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I have had SDLs and I would not hesitate to buy a 190. They are benzes not a cheap imitation, but they are the entry level benz, so they are smaller and less fancy. Many of the mechanical parts are the same as on the 124 and the 126.

As always, buy the best you can find and afford.

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Old 11-01-2007, 11:30 PM
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I don't have much experience with diesel guys, but I do sell cars at a new car dealership while I'm in college. The hardest thing to get over is people parting with their trade-ins. Its sad how unrealistic some people's expectations are. I had one guy that thought he could trade up to his 2 year old, 35,000 mile truck for an exact new body style without spending a dollar, because we were having an invoice sale. I've never had anyone more angry at me (difference was about $6,000), and I was going to make $50 bucks on the deal, so I didn't really care.
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Old 11-01-2007, 11:31 PM
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I'm going to look into both.. I know I can talk the silver one down.. a lot... the gold one.. maybe... I just want/need more info on it.

The person selling the silver 190D has all diesels benz's

a 300CD for the father, a 300D for the daughter, and the 190D

here is what the russians say

VIN WDBDB28DXHF316964
Plant 67
Model 190 D 2.5 TUR
Chassis 2011281F316964
Engine 602961 12 000226
Transmission 722413 12 427782
Tyres
Primary MICHELIN
Rear 49/649/6
Order 0 6 704 19230
Lights BOSCH
Wiper BOSCH
Cab 00180
Delivery date 13.01.87
Dealer United States (USA) (704)
Interior mb-tex saffron (174)
Paint
702 smoke silver metallic (с 01.01.1983)
Options
221 left front seat, electrically adjustable (с 01.11.1978)
222 right front seat, electrically adjustable (с 01.11.1978)
240 outside temperature indicator (с 01.03.1982)
286 luggage nets on front seat backrests (с 01.01.1962)
410 electric sliding roof (с 01.03.1965 по 29.02.1988)
444 tempomat (cruise control) and airbag (с 01.02.1980 по 31.10.1993)
467 central locking system and instruments with english lettering (с 01.04.1970 по 31.10.1993)
470 anti-lock braking system (abs) (с 01.06.1978 по 31.10.1993)
491 USA version (с 01.01.1963)
506 outside rear view mirror, left and right, heated (electrically adjustable on the right) (l.h.d.) (с 01.10.1983 по 31.03.1989)
outside rear view mirror, right, convex, taxi export version
519 Becker radio Grand Prix electronic cassette - USA (с 01.08.1980 по 30.11.1990)
Becker radio Mexico Grand Prix, electronic (USA)
524 paintcoat preservation (с 01.01.1964)
531 automatic antenna (с 01.01.1963)
543 sun visor with vanity mirror, illuminated, left and right (с 01.11.1978)
551 anti-theft warning system (с 01.11.1978 по 31.03.1998)
570 folding armrest front w202/210 stowage box front with armrest (с 01.04.1970)
front folding armrest w202 - housing at front with armrest
586 Behr air conditioner, and electric window lifters (front and rear doors) (с 01.04.1970)
593 heat-insulating glass, all-around, heated rear window pane (single-sheet safety glass), band filter
green heat-insulating glass all round, heated rear window, single pane safety glass - tinted strip (с 01.01.1972)
639 elimination of first-aid box and warning triangle (с 01.08.1977)
640 aluminium disc wheels with radial-ply tires (с 01.10.1969 по 31.12.1989)
807 Change of year of model, last figure shows new model year
876 rear door contaCTS and lamp above rear window (с 01.07.1964 по 31.10.1993)

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Old 11-02-2007, 12:44 AM
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Understandable. The car does need some mechanical attention like the a/c (we haven't the time or money to get it looked at) and the two auxillary fans need replacing (got a quote of about $600 I think and believe it was including labor). The interior defects are livable with except I would replace the sunvisors (a nice pair can be had for about $50 on ebay). The tires should be good for another 30k or so. Almost everything electrical works except driver's rear window (passenger rear is a little slow), tach, trip meter (which is livable with). Both headrests don't work- rests of all seat positions work, antennae goes up half way- will retract down. Vacuum systems works flawlessly! Sunroof works great. The turbo was replaced in May 06 with a remanufactured unit and gives car plenty of pep! This was almost $900 p+l. The transmission was rebuilt about 40k miles ago and shifts real smooth ($1,500)

All the car needs most importantly is the two fans. Since winter is coming the A/C can be dealt with later if it's something big (we don't know). We certainly don't expect to get $5,000 for it (unless a collector comes along that just has to have it ) But the car has been kept up as best as it could for the last 7 years and we have most of the records for my brother's ownership. He's willing to negotiate (I'm not sure how much but don't think he'll consider anything under $4k cash for it) but that would have to be talked out between buyer and seller. I've been trying to help him out with the sale since he's been busy with his music and now him moving two states away for his regular job, but if it doesn't sell right away- no big deal I guess except that it's always nice to have the money if it's needed.

Let me know how the VIN checks out if you decide to check it. We had it ran several years ago and it was clean so it should be fine.

I think its maybe worth.. 3k.. at most
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:01 AM
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That car isn't too terrible, and having driven one of those little '87 rocket ships, they are fun to drive. If they have a tranny rebuild receipt that is a huge plus. Those go out around 200K with regularity, so it should be good for awhile...
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Old 11-02-2007, 01:01 AM
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Send links to a good number of completed listing links on ebay to support your offer and run kelly blue book; try to kill his emotional attachment with plain logic. I'm sure $3,000 is more than fair. kbb shows private party in fair condition is 1,000; retail in excellent condition is 3,000. Obviously kelly is off on the value for this one, but it further helps your case. Seems like the brother is on your side.
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Old 11-02-2007, 02:06 AM
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http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u85/daimlerdieselcdi/1987%20190D%20Turbo/
http://s166.photobucket.com/albums/u85/daimlerdieselcdi/1987%20190D%202/

two albums of pictures


I think 3k is a fair price.. I just need like $500 more dollars and I will have an offer.. I would also have to sell my 300D off to make room for this one.. any takers?


The fact it has a jack point rusting is very unnerving as well as the other rust. not good.. The seller mentioned it is from NJ and they bought it in naples 7 years ago.. The do seem to care for it. Proof shows they do like diesels as they have two others.

I wonder if I can knock off $500 for the Bush/Cheney bumper sticker?
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Old 11-02-2007, 03:14 AM
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I always liked um. They still ride like MB's. They just don't handle like crap.
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Old 11-02-2007, 08:12 AM
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N. Miami.. no thanks.. I found another in orlando for 2500... But the silver one does have all the records. I just need to find some time to drive the 2.5 hours way and take a look at it.

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