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Old 02-21-2008, 01:39 PM
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I like the entry idea.. Its innovative... Remember the 300SL.. Gullwings.. the Delorean.. Gullwings... The Bricklin - peel the plastic shards from your skin

Its ultra cool
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Old 02-21-2008, 02:31 PM
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someone in my neighborhood has an isetta(green on white). I also saw one on a trailer (attached to a RV) last week.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:23 PM
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There is also the Messerschmidt. I think the passengers sat in tandem. And I like my Bricklin. Those bumpers put the fear in any other sports car along with about anything else. Now if we could just get enough speed up for battering ram mode.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:37 PM
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There is also the Messerschmidt. I think the passengers sat in tandem. And I like my Bricklin. Those bumpers put the fear in any other sports car along with about anything else. Now if we could just get enough speed up for battering ram mode.
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I've got to see some pics of this thing.. I've only seen one and it was not in good shape
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Old 02-22-2008, 12:55 PM
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There is also the Messerschmidt. I think the passengers sat in tandem. And I like my Bricklin. Those bumpers put the fear in any other sports car along with about anything else. Now if we could just get enough speed up for battering ram mode.
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haha here they are!

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Old 02-21-2008, 03:30 PM
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If you had a head-on collision in that and survived it, you'd never get out of it!
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Old 02-21-2008, 05:52 PM
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I'd go for the bare bones version.. As long as I can roll down some form of window for ventilation.. and it needs some form of sound system I Can plug my ipod into.. Silence sucks
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:27 PM
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I'd go for the bare bones version.. As long as I can roll down some form of window for ventilation.. and it needs some form of sound system I Can plug my ipod into.. Silence sucks
Agreed... It just needs enough get up & go to get out of the way of the common road idiot and be fun....
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:34 PM
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For the last 30 years or so the marketing mantra has been to make them bigger and faster and people have sucked it up.

Years ago (lets say 1972 or so) 100 HP was plenty of power to do the job ( I'm not talking muscle cars) yet one was hard pressed to approach 1 HP per cubic inch displacement. Now everyone expects 200+ HP in everything and its no big deal to find that in an econobox. Why can't manufacturers produce a smaller displacement engine that develops reasonable useful power? I would think one ought to be able to get 100 ponies out of about 1 litre, but no one seems to be interested until now, maybe.

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Old 02-21-2008, 06:57 PM
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For the last 30 years or so the marketing mantra has been to make them bigger and faster and people have sucked it up.

Years ago (lets say 1972 or so) 100 HP was plenty of power to do the job ( I'm not talking muscle cars) yet one was hard pressed to approach 1 HP per cubic inch displacement. Now everyone expects 200+ HP in everything and its no big deal to find that in an econobox. Why can't manufacturers produce a smaller displacement engine that develops reasonable useful power? I would think one ought to be able to get 100 ponies out of about 1 litre, but no one seems to be interested until now, maybe.Rick
um... that would be over 2.7 HP / cubic inch...
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Old 02-21-2008, 08:20 PM
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um... that would be over 2.7 HP / cubic inch...
If memory serves correct 1 Liter = 61.4 cubic inches..

100hp / 61.4 = 1.63 hp per cubic inch, this is an economically obtainable power range... I have a 16 yr old car with a 1.6 liter engine that puts out just over 100hp... Add a turbo or super charger and some modern engine management electronics and that engine will reliably run in the 160hp range...

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Old 02-22-2008, 08:54 AM
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If memory serves correct 1 Liter = 61.4 cubic inches..

100hp / 61.4 = 1.63 hp per cubic inch, this is an economically obtainable power range... I have a 16 yr old car with a 1.6 liter engine that puts out just over 100hp... Add a turbo or super charger and some modern engine management electronics and that engine will reliably run in the 160hp range...

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I came up with the same Cu Inch figure you do, I wonder how my calculator got the 2.77 from..... simple head math shows it's less than 2HP... I blame my macintosh.....
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um... that would be over 2.7 HP / cubic inch...
Sounds like the ricer argument of HP/cubic inch.
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Old 02-21-2008, 08:15 PM
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For the last 30 years or so the marketing mantra has been to make them bigger and faster and people have sucked it up.

Years ago (lets say 1972 or so) 100 HP was plenty of power to do the job ( I'm not talking muscle cars) yet one was hard pressed to approach 1 HP per cubic inch displacement. Now everyone expects 200+ HP in everything and its no big deal to find that in an econobox. Why can't manufacturers produce a smaller displacement engine that develops reasonable useful power? I would think one ought to be able to get 100 ponies out of about 1 litre, but no one seems to be interested until now, maybe.

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The typical econobox weighed at the most, probably what, 2000 pounds? A civic these days weighs 2600+. The new Honda Fit that's about the smallest Honda car sold is bigger and heavier than the first generation Accord.
There are engines that get 100hp/liter (Honda, BMW, high-end Italian makes) but you have to rev them very high to get that power. How many people will want to rev their engine to 8000 RPM? Not many, most people think going over 3000 RPM is hurting the engine.

These days, our crash requirements basically dictate you have to use a lot of high strength steel, which is heavy but gives the car a very stiff chassis. Go look at a crash test of a Toyota Yaris... very stiff chassis. Of course this means we can't have any cars under 2000 pounds anymore.
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These days, our crash requirements basically dictate you have to use a lot of high strength steel, which is heavy but gives the car a very stiff chassis. Go look at a crash test of a Toyota Yaris... very stiff chassis. Of course this means we can't have any cars under 2000 pounds anymore.
It can be done, but they have to be small cars. The Smart which meets all current safety specs, weighs 1800 lbs IIRC. The Honda Insight was about the same, but that one's no longer produced.
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