Thanks guys, that makes sense, but I wouldn't have thought of it! I'll be sure to swap them.

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

I would not swap them side to side.
many many many bearing manufacturers specifically state not to swap wheel bearings from one side to the other due to the bearings wearing specific to the race. the cv joint would be the same. it's turned one direction for hundreds of thousands of miles, the grooves are mated to the wear patterns in the balls, the oil keeps everything lubed correctly, and the cleaning and re lubing gets any wear material that's developed over the years out. I vote to keep them on the original side.

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John HAUL AWAY, OR CRUSHED CARS!!! HELP ME keep the cars out of the crusher! A/C Thread
"as I ride with my a/c on... I have fond memories of sweaty oily saturdays and spewing R12 into the air. THANKS for all you do!

My drivers:
1987 190D 2.5Turbo
1987 560SL convertible
1987 190D 2.5-5SPEED!!!

1987 300TD
2005 Dodge Sprinter 2500 158"WB
1994GMC 2500 6.5Turbo truck... I had to put the ladder somewhere!

They'll be wearing against an almost virgin surface on the opposite side. It's an old VW trick, when the CV joints wear out we could swap them and get lots more use out of them.

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Gone to the dark side

- Jeff

I posed this in another thread, but realized it really belongs in this one, especially in case anyone searching wants to follow the progress of this project:

The good news is, I got everything off and started to drop the subframe ... but, the back half won't drop. The bolts are all out, of course, but when I go to lower it, just the front lowers and hangs from the back. I tried gently coaxing the back mounts off the frame with a prybar, but didn't really want to go to town on it and damage something. Is there something I'm missing here? I don't think it's hung up on anything. Are the bushing sleeves just stuck to the frame posts maybe? If so, should I try torching them, or keep prying? I'm trying to be careful because I don't want it to suddenly pop free and crash down. Obviously I have the jack under it (plus an extra scissor jack) but still don't want any sudden lurches.
Help?

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

Use a second jack to support the front and keep it level, them lower the main jack an inch or two, then you can use the pry tool to lever the rear mounts. With the front hanging down it exerts off axis leverage on the rear mounts and the tubular studs they mount onto making it harder for them to disengage. Sometimes they will be stuck on there pretty firmly you just need to keep trying. A spray of KROIL to the top of the mount so that it can get on and leech down the stud can probably help some, and if you can get the tip of a bar, large screw driver, chisel in between the chassis and the mount where you can make some contact with its tip to the mount's inner/upper/central metal section into which the stub fits, giving it a "short, sharp, shot" or two, such a shock will help break it loose. The metal in the mounts are some alloy that can corrode and stick to the tubular stud's steel. This is the kind of stuff what "real wrenching" is all about! Good Luck!

Thanks, I think I was on the right path at least. I did think to push the front back up since it was making the rear mounts cockeyed, but it was still sticking so I wasn't sure if that was the right method. I'll shoot some Kroil on there before I go to work, then try again when I get home (or in the morning). I guess I need to be a bit less timid with the pry bar! I'll give a chisel a try too.
To be continued ...

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

I don't envy you. I spent a good deal of time beating on the one in my parts car, finally cut it out. The subframe still has the mounts in it, ... I soaked and pounded for a while until I lost interest, even tried a ball-joint press.

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Gone to the dark side

- Jeff

That's not too encouraging! Hopefully I'll have a bit more luck. I don't need to get the mounts out of the frame, since a "new" frame with new mounts is going on. But I can't cut the mount that's fixed to the car ... I'm gonna need that! I might try sticking the ball joint press I have in there ... it's about the right size.

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

That's where I decided to cut the thing out of my parts car, ... so I can't help you there.

I'd be starting to consider pouring a low durometer urethane into the bushing and leaving it there.

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Gone to the dark side

- Jeff

I think my next move, after studying an old bushing, is to cut the center of the bushing out. Which I'm sure will be a bear, but that way I can lower the frame off and put it to the side, then chisel -- or very carefully cut -- the bushing core off the post. If I could get a chisel tip on the metal part of the bushing, I think it would come off. There's not that much metal coming in contact with the post, but the rubber just won't allow enough force to be exerted to pop it loose. Unless I cut a hole in the trunk floor and stick a chisel down the top ... think I'll avoid that ... .
My big fear at this point is that I'm going to damage the post itself. Then I'm really, really up the creek. I guess you could weld one back on, but that sounds like it would be pretty unsafe. So I want to be careful not to damage the post or the threads.

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

I feel for you, hope it falls out while you're reading posts.

Heat should be your friend, the aluminum will expand much more than the steel post when heated. It's unfortunate that Mercedes chose to put aluminum and steel together, they don't play nice. I had the opposite situation with aluminum in steel once, ... a little time in liquid nitrogen cured it. Hopefully heat will cure yours.

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Gone to the dark side

- Jeff

Yeah, I'm dreaming it will just be lying on the jackstands below it when I get home from work at 2 a.m. I did try a bit of heat, but it didn't seem to help much ... I was pretty conservative with the torch, though, because I didn't want the rubber to catch fire. Somehow having two fire extinguishers within reach didn't comfort me enough. Maybe if I stick the torch end farther up the hole it will help.
It's been a "when it rains ..." kind of week. If this subframe would just come out for me, it would really bring the sunshine out ...

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)

How about trying to use a harmonic balancer puller on your subframe?

You could thread the bolt into the post and then use the bolt head as a center pulling point for the threaded piece of the puller. The arms of the puller could then catch the lip on the subframe and you could put quite a bit of force directly down on the subframe.

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13 GLK250 (157k)
06 E320CDI (341K)
16 C300 (89K)
82 300GD Gelaendewagen (54K)

then hit it with a hammer while its under said force. With luck..."pop" and off it comes.

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Hanno
'79 6.9 Sold (after 27 years)
'83 280SL, 5 spd.
'94 E320 Sdn. 5 spd conversion
'02 E320 Sdn.(on loan to mom!)
'87 300E (5 spd. conversion) Sold
'05 E500 Wagon

No luck. I've been at this for five days now and made zero progress. I did try to basically drill out the rubber portion of the bushing, but it's much harder than I thought, and all I've done is weaken the rubber, so there's no hope of pulling the bushing off using force applied to the rubber. I torched the metal part quite a bit and hammered the living heck out of it and it won't even wince. Also tried clamping it in vice grips and prying at it with every bar, screw driver, wedge, punch, etc. in the garage. The only thing I haven't tried is drilling straight into the metal part of the bushing like billybob suggested, which is basically the last resort. I run the risk of damaging the post, but at this point, it's the only way to get it off, and if I don't, the car is finished anyway. This is ridiculous. If I had any idea this would happen, I would never have attempted this.
I will also pick up an air chisel at HF tomorrow, and see if there's any puller or spreader that looks like it might work. I don't quite understand the harmonic balancer puller approach, since it would just put force on the rubber and I need something to pull on the metal (especially now that I destroyed the rubber). But maybe if I actually look at the pullers, I'll get a brainstorm.
I think I'll end up trying the drilling tomorrow evening, and just be very careful to measure where to drill to try my best to avoid hitting the post itself. I practiced drilling in the spare, and it is a pretty easy material to drill into.

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1987 300D, arctic white/palomino--314,000 miles
1978 240D 4-speed, Euro Delivery, light ivory/bamboo--370,000 miles
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited, light khaki/slate--140,000 miles
2018 Chevy Cruze diesel, 6-speed manual, satin steel metallic/kalahari--19,000 miles
1982 Peugeot 505 diesel, 4-speed manual, blue/blue, 130,000 miles
1995 S320, black/parchment--34,000 miles (Dad's car)