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Old 09-17-2010, 11:35 PM
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If you're really concerned, just replace it with a new one after about 200k miles. The vacuum pump is just one of many components that can fail and damage your engine, no need to re-engineer it.

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Old 09-17-2010, 11:37 PM
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The balls are in the roller that contacts the cam. The balls would be outside the screen.

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Old 09-17-2010, 11:40 PM
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If you're really concerned, just replace it with a new one after about 200k miles. The vacuum pump is just one of many components that can fail and damage your engine, no need to re-engineer it.
We all should be concerned. Not eveyone is like you, who would not think twice about spending thousands upon thousands to replace parts in a 25 year old car. Re-engineering is good!

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Old 09-17-2010, 11:41 PM
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When mine blew up, it was parts of the broken leaver from inside the pump that ended up in the timing chain.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:44 PM
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If there was a screen there, would it have kept the broken lever bits from falling into the timing chain?
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:48 PM
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Not even close. Not rated for continuous duty, either.

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Does not have to be continuous duty if you have a vacuum reservoir sized for the job.
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We all should be concerned. Not eveyone is like you, who would not think twice about spending thousands upon thousands to replace parts in a 25 year old car. Re-engineering is good!

It's actually a waste of time and effort. The chances of avoiding a specific failure are very slim; something else will just fail instead. Maybe you should also upgrade your oil pump drive chain, or your timing chain, or your oil cooler hoses, or worry about a broken camshaft or harmonic balancer coming loose, etc.

Overall, my cars only cost me about $0.30 per mile over the long term. Don't obsess about one component, just drive the car and keep up with basic maintenance. This is a solution in search of a problem.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:49 PM
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Maybe, or the screen could be another piece of shrapnel. That's a heck of a spring waiting to blow parts all over the place.

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Old 09-17-2010, 11:50 PM
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Bushing on the Injection Timer

Bushing (No roller Bearings???) on the Injection "Timer" Shaft wear.
(It's actually more closely related to a Governor that controls/advances Timing
of the I.P.)
Timer shaft "wobbles" Radially and it's only a matter of time before the V.P.
self destructs.

I suspect many of the OM 6XX.XXX engine V.P. failures are the result of this.

You used to be able to buy parts for the Timers...No Longer in U.S.

So, you're looking at Three failure possibilities:
1.Bearing failure on the V.P. roller
2.Bushing failure on the Timer Shaft.
3.Worn "Ramps" on the Timer that actually "Push" the V.P. 's roller as they
rotate.(With "Ramp" wear ,just replacing the V.P. only ruins a new V.P.)

F'ing Pierburg swears there's no DESIGN defect with the system...
There may not have been on the older V.P. s used on the older ('75 -84')
engines, BUT the Quality of Even Brand New Pumps from Mercedes is for
Excrement.
A vital component that has the imminent capability to "Catastrophe" an engine SHOULD HAVE NO PARTS MADE OF "POT METAL" !!!!!!

Most of All you need to scare yourself awake @ night is here:
OM603: Vacuum pump explosion, bearing intact! Injection Pump Timing device wrecked
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:51 PM
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If there was a screen there, would it have kept the broken lever bits from falling into the timing chain?
Who knows, maybe the screen would have ended up in the timing chain instead. If it really worries you, buy a new pump every 100k miles.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:53 PM
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Does not have to be continuous duty if you have a vacuum reservoir sized for the job.
Yes, but it would have to run long enough to charge the reservoir. In practice it runs, what, 4 seconds at a time? I wouldn't want to descend Pike's Peak with just a central locking pump I mean if the central locking pump were sufficient, the IP timer cam profile would have 3mm lift.

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Old 09-17-2010, 11:54 PM
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Bushing (No roller Bearings???) on the Injection "Timer" Shaft wear.
(It's actually more closely related to a Governor that controls/advances Timing
of the I.P.)
Timer shaft "wobbles" Radially and it's only a matter of time before the V.P.
self destructs.

I suspect many of the OM 6XX.XXX engine V.P. failures are the result of this.

You used to be able to buy parts for the Timers...No Longer in U.S.

So, you're looking at Three failure possibilities:
1.Bearing failure on the V.P. roller
2.Bushing failure on the Timer Shaft.
3.Worn "Ramps" on the Timer that actually "Push" the V.P. 's roller as they
rotate.(With "Ramp" wear ,just replacing the V.P. only ruins a new V.P.)

F'ing Pierburg swears there's no DESIGN defect with the system...
There may not have been on the older V.P. s used on the older ('75 -84')
engines, BUT the Quality of Even Brand New Pumps from Mercedes is for
Excrement.
A vital component that has the imminent capability to "Catastrophe" an engine SHOULD HAVE NO PARTS MADE OF "POT METAL" !!!!!!
Sounds like an electric vacuum pump is the safest route.
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:55 PM
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I understand somewhere along the 606 evolution chain MB shifted to a rotary vane pump. I don't know if a 617 or 603 can be upgraded to a rotary pump. A 603 has a better shot since the 606 basically uses a 603 block.

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Old 09-17-2010, 11:56 PM
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Yes, but it would have to run long enough to charge the reservoir. In practice it runs, what, 4 seconds at a time? I wouldn't want to descend Pike's Peak with just a central locking pump I mean if the central locking pump were sufficient, the IP timer cam profile would have 3mm lift.

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I was saying it does not have to be continuous duty only. I did not say the central lock vac pump is the correct pump to use. It is not!
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Old 09-17-2010, 11:57 PM
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Sounds like an electric vacuum pump is the safest route.
Possibly but a big advantage of Diesels is they keep going after the battery and alternator give up. With an electric pump they'll really keep going

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