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You said that... I just took out the 'mid winter' "requirement" since we are in the northern hemisphere... being funny....
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/10414-help-i-need-check-stretch.html http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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Valve rotators are very common on industrial application motors. They have a type of ratchet device that turns the valve a small amount each time it is opened. he device is part of the piece between the end of the valve stem & the follower in most motors.
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So...the valves are adjusted. Functioning alda is installed. Have you cleaned the boost line and installed new fuel filters? Does the oil filler cap jump? Yes, compression & leak down will give info but take time. Is this your car or are you repairing for someone else? Is your labor for fun or profit?
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When the valves are that tight = they are being held open = carbon buildup on valve and seat face = more than one adjustment needed. From your description I would: #1. Adjust the valves. #2. Take it out for an Italian Tune up. #3. Check the valves = re-adjust the tight ones. #4. Repeat up to three times in 24 hours. If you have trouble getting and keeping the proper tolerance during valve setting and/or looses adjustment quickly between service intervals the FSM suggests installing new cap and lock nuts on the valves as a first and cheap possible fix for the situation. They take a lot of pressure/pounding, and become worn on the threads making difficult/impossible to hold the correct setting. Call Phil for these parts 1-888-333-4642 Top nut (two per engine cylinder) MB# 615 053 00 72 middle nut (two per engine cylinder) MB# 153 990 02 51 Valve adjustment OM615, 616, 617 FYI. Valve adjustment OM615, 616, 617 FYI. Have a great day.
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Thank You Roy For the info. The girl wants to pick up her car today, so don`t know if i will ever see it again, she lives 40+ miles south of me. she has no clue about cars.
I jacked it up last night and drained the Torque Converter and pan. sure was some brown fluid coming out, and had a strange smell to it. then today I`ll replace the filter and gasket. hope this helps to what is causing the doggy get up and go. but can`t hurt. The engine oil also had a strange smell to it. never noticed it on any I have changed before. I did have a thought it could be the feed pump maybe leaking into the engine oil. I remember reading about a repair kit a few weeks back. I`ll look that up and reread about it. I replaced the ALDA with a Virgin one, someone had messed with the original one. when I took it off it had a rattle inside of it. I took the car down where I use to work and steam cleaned it some. got about 60% of the stuff off. mainly wanted to get the crap off the trans pan. it is still doggy on get up and go, and can`t believe the black smoke it blows out the back from a start. and the looks I get . I am in the Hippie, Yuppie, tree hugger capitol of the world. when I steam cleaned the engine last night. I removed the air cleaner housing. plugged off the oil drain hole, valve cover blow by pipe, and turbo inlet. the lid off a rattle paint can fits perfect on the inlet. after cleaning the eng, I blew off the excess water with an air hose. then went to start the engine. nothing, just turned over . now what did I do to it, or blew off? I forgot to remove the paint can lid. when i got back home I gave it a quick bath and tried to scrub off the caked on brake dust from the wheels.I`ll throw on some tire dressing, and she will think it is a new car. Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616... 1) Not much power 2) Even less power 3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast. 80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works |
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Some engines with hydraulic lifters would grind the cam so that it was not square with the top of the lifter... so that each time it touched it turned the lifter in its ' holder' ...
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=10414 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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VWs have the cam lobes slightly off center on the lifter, making it turn just a bit every actuation.
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So with the rotation of the valves (due to either the rotators or an off centre lifter / cam configuration) a particular direction of movement is encouraged right?
If this direction of motion opposes the tightening of the lock nuts on a valve stem the clearance would tend to become looser with use right? And if the direction of valve rotation goes with the direction of tightening the lock nuts then the valve clearance would become tighter with use - right? Does this sound possible or feasible? I once heard a story of someone revving his motorcycle engine so hard that the valves got so tight the cylinders wouldn't hold any compression - myth, legend, BS - I don't know...
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with regard to rotation direction. If the lock nut is tight it doesnt matter what way the valve rotates. I have no idea off hand the direction of rotation for a 617. Then again you could blame it all on Coriolis forces & then it would depend if you were north or south of the equator!!
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And then there is cosmic radiation... (often used as a last ditch attempt to explain many things)
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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1980 240d , chain elongation, cam marks reference: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?threadid=10414 http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/305365-9-degrees-chain-stretch.html evap fin cleaning: http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/156207-photo-step-step-post-showing-w123-evaporator-removal-1983-240d-1982-300td.html?highlight=evaporator A/C thread http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/diesel-discussion/297462-c-recommendations-mb-vehicles.html |
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1992 W201 190E 1.8 171,000 km - Daily driver 1981 W123 300D ~ 100,000 miles / 160,000 km - project car stripped to the bone 1965 Land Rover Series 2a Station Wagon CIS recovery therapy! 1961 Volvo PV544 Bare metal rat rod-ish thing I'm here to chat about cars and to help others - I'm not here "to always be right" like an internet warrior Don't leave that there - I'll take it to bits! |
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mercedes have been using valve rotators since the 1950's. Even the 1956 220a i have has them. They are designed to promote both even seating and cooling and to prevent the seats from gathering bits of carbon that build up on the stems creating a worse problem,valve sticking. I have just finished the worst one I have ever seen today. The valves were jammed in the guides and pulled them from the head. The remains of the guides were going up and down with the valves and the build up of burnt oil deposits had blocked the ports. It still ran but the smoke would have given Al Gore a heart attack.
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also check for slop/wear in the throttle linkages, when i got my car the pedal had to be pressed ~ hallfway before there was action at the IP
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