I drove a 190d with a five speed back when it was fairly new. I believe it was probably a 2.2. I am certain it was not a turbo.

Whoever says they are gutless I will have to ask compared to what?

I remember thinking it was a rocket compared to my 220D or whatever other car I was driving at the time.

I have always liked the looks of a 190 and will probably most likely own one someday. They are very hard to find now with the price of fuel.

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[SIGPIC] Diesel loving autocrossing grandpa Architect. 08 Dodge 3/4 ton with Cummins & six speed; I have had about 35 benzes. I have a 39 Studebaker Coupe Express pickup in which I have had installed a 617 turbo and a five speed manual.[SIGPIC]

..I also have a 427 Cobra replica with an aluminum chassis.