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Hehe, I had 1 evo8 in my younger years after I graduated from hondas..and we used to spray rubbing alcohol honestly. Dollar store, grab a few bottles, fill washer resivior and we sprayed that..cheap and effective. Thinking I can get away with the same here if I really needed more fuel.. I am doing the swap though, and its already been set in motion. A buddies friend popped his 4.0 a few days back, and juts picked up one of mine last night around 12am. $500 dollars richer, going hunting for a Om617A today. I have 2 more spare 4.0's, plus my rebuild parts, plus the motor that will be coming out of my jeep to sell..so all in all, I could essentially brake even after the swap which would be sweet! Anywho, you guys ever do compression tests on cars in the junkyards? We have 150 dollar wheel barrel days, if it fits in a wheel barrel and you get it up the hill, its your for 150...they don't care if you have 2 motors, so I'm thinking I pay a few buds, and we get 1 or 2 and I start this out right! As far as mods, I have about 20 pieces, bends, straights ect. of 2.25" and 2.5" intercooler piping. I have a intercooler although it won't fit on my cherokee, so I'll need another. But ya was thinking, just rebuild & slightly port/clean up the head, deck it slightly for straightness which will raise the compression ratio slightly..not much but maybe enough to get 22:1. Stock is 21.5:1. I also have my old 3" exhuast/ downpipe off my evo, so I'll be cutting those up to make my downpipe/exhaust. I'll look more into turbo and sizing, but the stock 60trim upgrade looks very easy, and the place that did a few people is only 2 hrs from me. 3" downpipe/exhaust, a A/A FMIC, possibly meth injection, and of course boost, EGT, oil temp and maybe EMP gauges? Is the last one really needed and how important is it? I have EGT and AFR in my jeep right now, was alway taught to have the vasics and watch them like a hawk. So I already them. I'll look around for that Na W117 manifold that everyone loves so much, and also a non-egr turbo manifold..Honestly this stuff seems really easy after reading for a few days. Crank Ip +1.5 turns, remove limiter and ALDA..yes I'm aware that I'll need to watch my boost/EGT gauges, but ever since I was 16 I was taught to watch my gauges like a hawk anyway. Up the boost to around 10-12psi, or as much as possible once the IP is maxed, crank IP, remove ALDA, remove EGR, A/A FMIC, 3" exhaust, and keeping my cowl intake/cheater snorkel setup that I have currently. Its like ram air, although the turbo will do all the work.. Doesn't seem all that hard, and that should net me somewhere around 140/200ftlbs from what I've read correct? And that would be maxing out the IP pump.. Which is more than enough I'm sure..again I'm not going for balls out power, just a decent little bump, on par with a stock 4.0 performance and better mileage while doing it. As well as do all the maintenance, new GP's, filters, gaskets ect! I will be rebuilding the head, and possibly replacing the timing chain, although I still need to research that, price and such! I also need to research what all the swap will entail...as far as modding/removing my fuel pump, replacing fuel lines and remote mounted filters and such if needed! Also will have to look into a ALT upgrade, or see about fitting my jeep alt onto the merc..I need around 140A for all my crap, lights & inverters for camping. I also need to get a setup for bio-diesel after the swap is complete but I'll probably run it through a beer keg that I can mount in the cargo area of my jeep & run lines into the quarter panel and then down along the frame rails..I have a nitrous bottle heater and a few kegs and figured I could use the bottle heater to heat the keg up, vs heating the bio diesel another way....seem like an ok idea right? And again thank everyone for being so welcoming and so helpful. I know it can get old answering the same questions for new guys 1 million times. Every seems in good spirits about it though and I'm extremely exciting to start this! I'm sure I'll have more questions eventually, but let me know if my thinking/reasoning is correct as far as performance and as far as the Bio setup. Any good threads on rebuilding/balancing injectors on these things? I want to try and get everything done on the motor, and then swap it in. So new GP's and everything so that way I'll have no issues once I start the swap...make things easier for myself lol. Last edited by ChrisH; 03-05-2012 at 10:39 AM. |
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And whats a good solid cruising speed for these things? Do they like 2000rpm, 2500, 3k?
Right now with a 5speed, and 30x9.5's and 3.55's I'll be around 2200rpm at 70mph in 5th gear..Kind of disappointing because I won't get much use out of 5th gear. So I'll try to find some 4cyl jeep axles and swap those in, I would love 4.56's so I can ran 31x10.5's and not loose to much, but I'll take 3.73 or 4.10 as it'll be better than what I have now.. For you jeep guys, ax15, 30x9.5's, 3.55's - 70mph 2199rpm ax15, 30x9.5's, 3.73's - 70mph 2310rpm ax15, 30x9.5's, 4.10's - 70mph 2530rpm ax15, 30x9.5's, 4.56's - 70mph 2820rpm ax15, 31x10.5's, 4.56's - 70mph 2750rpm Those are rough estimates as tires may measure out slightly more/slighty less, using this calculator here. Gear Ratio Calculator Last edited by ChrisH; 03-05-2012 at 11:05 AM. |
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Let me google that for you This is my favourite: Glowplug - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia They "plug a hole" and they "glow". It's really that simple. Should have been explained in link above. Quote:
Well you got me there. With out doing a search (for you), I cant answer that question other than to say, it must burn something "after" something important happens, like internal combustion. Try this: Let me google that for you Looks like you might be top of the list since this forum is "The bee's knees". That is helpful. Ummm, how are you going to get the fuel from the tank to the injectors? IP = Injection Pump. (the P word). This seems way off base. EGT's cant be "Cooled". Temps can be Lowered, raised, and even appear to be High or Low. More fuel will never make more power with out the proper ratio of air. The cycle of controlling exhaust temp begins at the compressor housing, not at fuel delivery. Fuel plays a part, but is not the key player. Quote:
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The 82 to 85's are turbo units, the older ones are not.
For the turbo engines, the max horsepower is 4350 rpm, a whopping 123! You'll have to rig something up as gassers use a different system. Bio diesel can simply be pumped in the tank, just swap out any rubber lines for viton. Speeds are axle ratio dependent.
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Awsome F*ing post man! Last edited by ChrisH; 03-05-2012 at 01:05 PM. |
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Ok so bio can be mixed/run with normal diesel? I will deffinetly run veg since most places will give you it lol..I may run oil/atf at some point, in small quantities but it would be at least a year so I've got plenty of time to search it out! I thought this was frowned on and a external source of bio was best though? I can mod my 18 gallon fuel tank to hold around 25.5 gallons, which I plan to do anyway! It'd be much easier if I can run diesel and bio in the same tank! More room for camping gear. |
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A pump is necessary to get fuel to the IP, many refer to it as a lift pump, its located on the side of the IP, the primer pump screws into it.
The pic shows a new style primer pump attached.
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I believe that there were many non-turbos made from 82-85 that may have also had a manual trans, hand cranked window lifts, and manual climate contro unit. These are very rare in the US Market.
Viton is a great choice for new hoses, but is unnecessary. Standard rubber hoses (new replacement) are fine too. The viton wil provide a longer service life, but 8-10x longer? Not sure that the cost is worth it. I typically only use Viton hose for the hoses that require removal of many other parts to reach.
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I'm trying to find out if I'll need a LP, or if I can/should use my fuel pump to get the fuel up to the IP? Not much has been said in the swap threads, but I'm searching. EDIT: I guess using the electrical pump I have now, could ruin the IP..by excess pressure I'd guess? So looking/searching for more options. |
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I would like to Post on this one but it probably wouldn't be nice
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It looks like you ended up posting anyway.
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Oh you sick twisted
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How to Filter WVO For use ? Viton hose and O-ring kit sources The Law and Biofuels in your State or Country.... Biodiesel and WVO - SVO links thread. |
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Let me know, I will send you a free keyboard and a sample of my home roasted Kona Coffee ! Twisted? ah, dunno. Sarcastic pr*ck? Maybe? Good hearted and respectful? Always.
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