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Old 09-04-2013, 03:46 PM
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Sorry - the Haynes is silent on this issue. That manual is sort of hit or miss. Turns out my recollection was right - 30-40 lb/ft + 90-100*.

Here's a suggestion - mic the necked area of the bolt right under the head where it is least likely to stretch (there's more metal there) then mic the center of the necked area. If the center is much smaller than the upper area, it's distorted. I'd be guessing on how much is too much but maybe 0.005-0.010?

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Old 09-04-2013, 04:14 PM
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Thank you.
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Old 09-04-2013, 04:31 PM
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I could sure use a link to the manual transmission service manual chapter. Looks like it is chapter 25 and 26, but my pdf copy is missing those chapters.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:19 PM
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Sorry - the Haynes is silent on this issue. That manual is sort of hit or miss. Turns out my recollection was right - 30-40 lb/ft + 90-100*.

Here's a suggestion - mic the necked area of the bolt right under the head where it is least likely to stretch (there's more metal there) then mic the center of the necked area. If the center is much smaller than the upper area, it's distorted. I'd be guessing on how much is too much but maybe 0.005-0.010?

Dan
My MB FSM states that the FW Bolts are initial torque to 30 - 40NM.

Angle of Rotation is 90 - 100DEG.

Angle of Rotation tool is part# 116-589-01-13-00


The part# for the manual FW Bolt is 615-032-05-71.

I just bought 12 from Stahl Motors in Monterey, Ca. off their wholesale site. www.benzpartswholesale.com . Dealer price is $7.25 and $5.80 off their site. I should get them tomorrow.

That is a better price than some idiot on E-Bay selling them for $12.95 ea.

Pelican doesn`t even show them even when I put in the part#.


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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

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Old 09-04-2013, 09:47 PM
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I solved my electrical problem. We couldnt figure out why the car wouldnt start. We tried hot wiring it from the starter to the battery and nothing. I finally looked under the car and i realized that I never connected the ground cable from the engine to the body. As soon as I bolted that up, all of my electrical problems were gone, and it started right up. When I was about to pump my clutch, I realized that the nipple on the back if the master cylinder broke off stayed in the hose. I have to order a new master cylinder. My cousin and I really wanted to see how it drives so we drove it without the clutch down the street and I loved it. Something with the linkages is off because the gear pattern is top left 3, bottom left 4, top right 1st, and bottom right 2nd. I need to fix that as well. I need to order some shift bushings as well. Today was a pretty great day for me.
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Old 09-04-2013, 10:41 PM
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Since you have the old Iron Box Transmission.

Looking at your Shifter 3 levers from under the car, looking forward.

The left lever is R

The center lever is 1 - 2

The right lever is 3 - 4


On the side of your Transmission are the 3 levers pointing straight up.

The forward lever is 3 - 4

The center lever is R

The lever to the rear is 1 - 2



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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
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Old 09-05-2013, 12:16 AM
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1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K
1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild
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Old 09-07-2013, 12:30 PM
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The nipple on the back of the master cylinder broke off into the hose that goes to the brake reservoir, and i've searched a number of places online for a new one, but cannot find one. Does anyone know where I could get a new one ASAP?
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Old 09-07-2013, 05:34 PM
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If the nipple broke off does that mean you need to replace the master cylinder or can you get the broken part out and just replace the nipple?
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1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild
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1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor
2014 Kubota L3800 tractor
1964 VW bug

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IF (and that's a big IF) you can get the broken part of the nipple out of the master cylinder you'll find new ones at most chain auto parts stores (Auto Zone, Advance, etc.). They'll be in the "HELP" aisle. HELP, by the way, is just a different marketing arm of Dorman Products - they makes tons of stuff. Be sure to match the length, thread size, end taper, etc. The store may or may not have an interchange listing.

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Old 09-08-2013, 12:53 AM
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Its in kind of an ugly place to get to without removing the master cylinder. You can leave the push rod which will reduce the hassle somewhat.
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1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild
1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K
1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor
2014 Kubota L3800 tractor
1964 VW bug

"Lifes too short to drive a boring car"
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Old 09-08-2013, 02:14 AM
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I already removed the master cylinder. It is a plastic nipple that is removable. It doesnt have a thread or anything, it is simply held in with a rubber seal.
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Old 09-08-2013, 11:52 AM
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Oh, yah, so its the plastic male part you need at the end of the hose, not the female part thats in the M/S?
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1985 Euro 240D 5 spd 140K
1979 240D 5 spd, 40K on engine rebuild
1994 Dodge/Cummins, 5 spd, 121K
1964 Allice Chalmers D15 tractor
2014 Kubota L3800 tractor
1964 VW bug

"Lifes too short to drive a boring car"
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:02 PM
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I just looked up a 240D Clutch MC, and a new one does not come with this hose nipple. just a plug in the grommet. As I remember the nipple piece has a slight angle to it and is the same on both ends. there is no pressure to is, just the gravity flow from the Brake MC Reservor.

A separate nipple piece is not listed in the parts section for the clutch assemblies.

Charlie
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there were three HP ratings on the OM616...

1) Not much power
2) Even less power
3) Not nearly enough power!! 240D w/auto

Anyone that thinks a 240D is slow drives too fast.

80 240D Naturally Exasperated, 4-Spd 388k DD 150mph spedo 3:58 Diff

We are advised to NOT judge ALL Muslims by the actions of a few lunatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few lunatics. Funny how that works
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Old 09-08-2013, 01:39 PM
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I would think you can buy a res separately from the mc since the mc comes without it. If not I prolly have a used one around here somewhere.
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