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Old 10-08-2015, 12:48 AM
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I tried test my 0 - 60 in my 240 but people kept honking their horns to get around me

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Old 10-08-2015, 01:06 AM
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You really really and again really need to do more studying before you go out and state that there Shouldn't...."If" big "if" all the smog crap is working correctly there will be no cloud....When there is no smog stuff on the engine or it isn't working correctly there will be a cloud....

Ever seen a simi climbing a hill and see the black cloud? Ever see tractors producing a black cloud? If the right combination of oxygen and fuel isn't present you will get a cloud...This can be because of environment or mechanics..

Red necks increase fuel out put to purposely create a black cloud...

I am not saying anymore because you are always right no matter what and I see this in other threads....
Cooljjay, I hope you DON'T say anything else. Is it that I'm always right, or that you give improper advice every time you talk?

It is absolute diesel engine basics... The engine throttles using fuel. Diesels are inherently lean burning because of that. A NA diesel takes in one entire cylinder of air every single intake stroke. Varying amounts of fuel are injected depending on load. However, you will reach a point where there is no more Oxygen left to burn the maximum amount of fuel and it will result in smoke. Air density changes as you change altitude. At sea level for example, you will be able to burn X amount of fuel in the cylinder at full load. At 9000 feet, you will only be able to burn .80X in the same engine. If you try to burn X amount anyway, you'll get smoke and high EGTs.

By removing the altitude compensating capsule as you suggest, you are doing exactly that, injecting X when it cannot be burned. THAT is why you have smoke. If you left the engine as it was designed (Do you have an engineering degree?) it would not smoke. The ALDA works on the same concept as the ADA to control fuel until boost comes on. The EGR is a NOx emissions device that is illegal to tamper with.

These cars will not smoke visibly if they are assembled stock. When you dork around with control systems I wouldn't be surprised if they smoke. Smoke is an ABNORMAL condition. The semis smoke because their turbo is spooling (have you seen a semi engine in person?) and the air is not available to burn it at the moment. 300D turbos do that if you floor them. Naturally aspirated diesels like yours and mine have NO REASON to smoke.

I have done substantial reading. I'd say you'd do well to try it. You can start with diesel engine operation, then move to electricity and read about lightening (since you seem to believe lightening is DC electricity). Forgive me if I don't give any weight to your advice.
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Old 10-08-2015, 01:10 AM
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Here's a good article for those who care enough to know correct infornation and be informed before making incorrect statements and making modifications that could damage their engine.
Banks Power | Hopping Up the Turbodiesel
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Old 10-08-2015, 01:37 AM
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If you left the engine as it was designed (Do you have an engineering degree?) it would not smoke. The ALDA works on the same concept as the ADA to control fuel until boost comes on. The EGR is a NOx emissions device that is illegal to tamper with.

Oh please....Get your foot out of your mouth....Euro model cars came with no ADA's.....This is what the importer installed on most NA euros when they were imported to meet US Specs for registration...



So I now have made my euro NA OM617 just like the designers, designed it in germany.....guess what it smokes....

Guess what Mr....Its even illegal to install euro head lamps too

Don't waste your time responding back....I'm not following this thread anymore....
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Old 10-08-2015, 02:30 AM
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Euro models didn't come with a lot of things... All 60X engines have the ADA and the M type pump, and the 60X is the next generation, new and improved. Old engines didn't have a PCV system either. Does that mean we can just eliminate that off new cars too? Don't resort to fallacy.

I guess you didn't read the link... Oh well, I said it was for those who wanted to be informed. You can keep driving your mosquito fogger, but I have higher standards for my Mercedes Benz.
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Old 10-08-2015, 09:03 AM
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Euro models didn't come with a lot of things... All 60X engines have the ADA and the M type pump, and the 60X is the next generation, new and improved. Old engines didn't have a PCV system either. Does that mean we can just eliminate that off new cars too? Don't resort to fallacy.

I guess you didn't read the link... Oh well, I said it was for those who wanted to be informed. You can keep driving your mosquito fogger, but I have higher standards for my Mercedes Benz.
Never noticed any black smoke from any of my diesels, even my '84 Euro TD which has no EGR, though my '82 240D puts out a bit of blue smoke at start-up. Valve seals?
Now the two-stroke '57 DKW I used to drive - THAT was a mosquito-fogger!

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Old 10-08-2015, 11:41 AM
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Actually if you own a euro model, removed the ADA, EGR and/or ALDA. You will see a black cloud behind the car if you have the peddle smashed to the floor and climbing a hill.....Its normal, not enough oxygen in the air.....Typically a person will back off the throttle to not allow so much fuel into the cylinders....
Jason ;

Not an attack here , O.K. ? .

I currently have three M-B Diesels and have had more .

My European Spec. 300TD turbo has no EGR and it is not modified from stock in any way .

It's not only faster and more powerful than all my other (U.S. Spec.) Diesels , it smokes *ZERO* although it consumes more fuel .

Using clapped out and deliberately mis tuned Semis as examples is irresponsible ~ I know O.T.R. drivers who make a point of installing bigger injectors to get more power at the cost of black smoke and higher fuel use .

As I said before : when new , visible smoke was a serious no - no and often caused forced exhaust opacity checks before the vehicle would be allowed to hit the road again .

Yes , there's particulate matter and yes there's a small amount of smoke to be visible when you stamp the throttle at low speeds under full load conditions but NO it's not supposed to smoke constantly in daylight , never .
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Old 10-08-2015, 11:43 AM
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Right Mark, that's because when they are properly configured they really shouldn't smoke much at all. A small puff at full load is normal. Blue smoke at start up is most likely valve stem seals allowing oil to drip down the valves over night. My car doesn't smoke at all and my opacity test results are always ~1% every year.

These cars have systems and devices in place for many reasons, and they should not smoke. Anybody who tells you they SHOULD smoke visibly during the day is misinformed and not educated on the subject. The only time you should notice any smoke is at night through the headlights of the person behind you, and only during acceleration.
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And the power to the window washing fluid spraying being the connection to the spare tire air valve.....
That wasn't added until the 1961 model year Greg .

Don : was your Pop's '53 an early (split rear window,"zwitter") or late (oval rear window) model ? .

My '53 was a Zwitter and I must say , I loved it very much . enough so that when I rolled it , I bought a junker to cut up and repair mine .
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That wasn't added until the 1961 model year Greg ....
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What powered the washer before that?
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Old 10-08-2015, 12:45 PM
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It depends on who's accessory WSW you bought ~ some were electric , some were pushbutton pumps .

Thanx for jogging my memory ~ the 1961 WSW switch had the pump build into it , you'd pull the knob to pump WSW fluid ~ these were clever but bad rubber bellows that rotted quickly and were replaced in the 1962 model yea with the spare tire pressured thing .

In the 1980's (? IIRC) VW Do Mexico re designed the spare tire WSW bottle to use and electric pump , *much* better system .
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Old 10-08-2015, 01:01 PM
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Manny ;

I disabled the EGR valve on my M-B Diesels and was *instantly* rewarded with more power at all loads and speeds , the 240D also smoked far less , replacing the drooling injectors stopped all but the idle smoke from the bad cylinder with 200# compression .

The constant fuel smoke from my Turbo Coupe is driving me batty and pissing off all other drivers behind me I expect.....
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The egr functions primarily to reduce NOx, not soot. That is why I leave mine hooked up in LA. I get smoke on the 1-2 shift at 4500rpm. Otherwise not.

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Right Mark, that's because when they are properly configured they really shouldn't smoke much at all. A small puff at full load is normal. Blue smoke at start up is most likely valve stem seals allowing oil to drip down the valves over night. My car doesn't smoke at all and my opacity test results are always ~1% every year.

These cars have systems and devices in place for many reasons, and they should not smoke. Anybody who tells you they SHOULD smoke visibly during the day is misinformed and not educated on the subject. The only time you should notice any smoke is at night through the headlights of the person behind you, and only during acceleration.
My current 1982 US-market 240D still has the EGR hooked up and I've never felt the need to disconnect it, though I've never tested it either. I'm not losing any sleep over a bit of blue smoke at start-up.
This 240D had a factory replacement engine installed at some point, and though I haven't tried to find out how long ago, the car runs better, smoother and has more power that both of the other 240Ds I owned. Then perhaps, it also helps that this 240D has a very solid, nearly rust-free body. My first two were total rust-buckets.

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... read about lightening (since you seem to believe lightening is DC electricity). Forgive me if I don't give any weight to your advice.
Most people define DC as electrons flowing in one direction, so lightning does satisfy that definition.

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