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Someone mentioned testing the head at operating temperature, I’ll throw in torquing to spec. A head torqued in place might cause cracks to expand.
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If there's any question whether or not a 14 head is cracked, instead of pressure testing it I would clean it thoroughly and check it with fluorescent dye. If a crack hasn't reached the coolant system yet it will soon.
Despite looking externally similar, #17 and up heads are very different inside. Open up the large coolant plugs on the intake side of the head and look inside. The deck is much beefier on the later heads. As far as I know, the om603 was the first aluminum head turbo diesel on the market from any manufacturer. Mercedes made some mistakes on this design which they later corrected.
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Your pressure test used a very low pressure pushing outwards from the coolant channels.
When in operation, the head is extremely hot, the pressure in the cylinder is >1000PSI, and the head bolts have it clamped in position. All these things add up to make leaking from the cylinder into the cooling system far more likely than the other way around. Sometimes it pays heed to listen to what other people are telling you from experience. Again, it's your car, your time, your money, your effort. You do what you want.
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Stop reading into comments. Nobody's telling you to get the head professionally tested. Everyone so far is saying that THE HEAD IS JUNK. It's a known issue with the #14 casting and very well documented, including photographic evidence right here in this thread.
#14 Head Casting + Cracks = Crap. End. Of. Story.
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I think where we differ in the opinion that air pressure will find any leaks. I don't think that's a reliable test in this situation for reasons that others have already discussed. Good luck with the project.
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The early (1984?) 190D had an aluminum head (basically the same engine minus two cylinders). Also, the Mitsubishi 4D55 in 1983 had an aluminum head. Other countries might have gotten these engines in earlier year models as well.
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MB redesigned it's turbo diesel heads in 89 and by 93 was using the turbo head castings in it's NA engines as well. As far I know the early om601 and om602 NA engines didn't suffer the same failure.
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Just because you don't like what someone tells you doesn't mean you're right and they're wrong. Prove you're right. Put the head on your car and test it out. Keep notes on coolant consumption, engine heat level, and pressure in the coolant system. Keep tabs on how long it lasts and how much money it cost you to buy the head, futz around with it, and install it (including hardware, head gasket, coolant, etc.). If it works out and holds up, I'll HAPPILY admit I was wrong. If it doesn't, be prepared for "I told you so".
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You are not here. I pressurized it to 80psi and still no bubbles. Shop only pressurize it to around 20psi. So I am very confident that the head is good. It is going to be installed in a sdl. So stay tuned.
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