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Old 07-07-2004, 01:33 PM
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New German Nozzles - Bulk Order

One of the better shops out here (the one that sold me their Bosch certified injector tester) looked into nozzles for me and has found a stock of the genuine German nozzles. They want about $50/ea for them, but will give me a 20% discount for a large order (not sure what they mean by that yet.)

Anyway...., I know it's tempting to order the $29 ones from the online sources, but the last big order I did from iportedcarparts and from Rusty both came in as the India made ones. The way I look at it is the German ones are worth XX $'s, the India ones aren't worth s**t, no matter how "good" the price seems.

Those interested in some NEW German nozzles who can spend $40/or so each on them, email me and LMK.

If I can get a big enough order, they will be around that price and the way to think of it is for $10 more, we get the real deal that WORKS, instead of crap that doesn't. Get what you pay for kind of thing.

Also, we might be able to talk Rusty or one of the online sources into cherry picking their inventory for just the German ones? Come to think of it, that won't work since they don't stock inventory, they just have orders drop shipped from various warehouses. Oh well.

Email me ASAP if interested in the new German ones that will be around $40/ea.
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Old 07-07-2004, 03:08 PM
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Re: New German Nozzles - Bulk Order

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One of the better shops out here (the one that sold me their Bosch certified injector tester) looked into nozzles for me ....Email me ASAP if interested in the new German ones that will be around $40/ea.
wait.... let me get this straight.
. New injectors are around $50-$60 with refund for cores.*
. New German nozzles are around $40-$50 dollars and no core

*wanting a supplier to dig out german ones for us.

Are the nozzles typically such a huge chunk of $$ in a whole injector?
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Great idea! I'll buy a couple if it helps make it happen. Mine are OK, but when I had them checked/cleaned the guy told me that about 40% of new nozzles he gets from Bosch are crap and its getting worse.
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Re: Re: New German Nozzles - Bulk Order

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wait.... let me get this straight.
. New injectors are around $50-$60 with refund for cores.*
. New German nozzles are around $40-$50 dollars and no core

*wanting a supplier to dig out german ones for us.

Are the nozzles typically such a huge chunk of $$ in a whole injector?
No such thing as "new" injectors. Research it and find out. The ones you are thinking about at $50-60 ea are "rebuilds" and the only NEW part is the nozzle. If you buy a nozzle alone, it is $29 for the India made ones.

As far as someone at a warehouse cherry picking the rebuilt injectors with the German nozzles, no one will do that. The injector has to be taken apart to find out if the nozzle is German or not and no supplier is willing to do that just to sell a part. The warehouses aren't the ones who do the rebuilding. The rebuilds are probably coming from India too now, that's why they have India nozzles. They "might" pick for just the German nozzles themselves though?

There are no "cores" with nozzles, they are what wears and is thrown away when an injector is "rebuilt".

All you get with a "rebuilt" injector is equivalent to your old injector that is cleaned and a new nozzle installed. This you can do yourself for a LOT less $'s and not have to send cores anywhere. Balancing is a good idea, but the injectors you buy for the $50-60 are not balanced, just dis-assy'd, cleaned, new (India) nozzles installed and re-assembled.
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Great idea! I'll buy a couple if it helps make it happen. Mine are OK, but when I had them checked/cleaned the guy told me that about 40% of new nozzles he gets from Bosch are crap and its getting worse.
Yep, for me it's been 90% and more that are crap and the only reason is the nozzles they are using now. Then again, I only get the bad ones as people buy the rebuilt, install them, find them to be crap, then send to me, so I get an inordinate # of the bad ones.
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Old 07-07-2004, 04:07 PM
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Wish I had $400.00 to buy 10.. or wait.. no $600 to buy 15.

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Tom, you certainly didn't overstate the importance of balancing. "New" injectors can vary in opening pressure so much that to take a random sample and simply screw them in practically begs for a problem. The shop I used checked 10 jectors, found 5 best, cleaned the nozzles and checked pattern and atomization and tested to open between 1950 and 2000 psi, all for $40, which I thought was totally fair. Seeing as you were trying to work with these s**t "new" parts, I don't blame you a bit for not wanting to continue.
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So how does one balance the injectors? Is it just a matter of selecting ones that open within spec? That's not practical. At what these things cost, I could only afford to buy nozzles to rebuild the ones I got(5). And then, if they don't all pop within spec or have weird spray patterns, sending the defects back and forth until I got some that performed within spec could take forever. There has to be a better way.
Is it correct to assume that ALL German made nozzles are perfect?
I may have to rebuild mine in the future, who knows.
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you can take your injectors to a reputable shop that works on diesel. They can clean the end and check the QUALITY fo the spraying when it opens. If that's okay, you're almost there. Each good spraying nozzle will open at a different pressure, but if some are too high or low they can be opened up and have a different shim installed behind the spring. This may sound complicated but it is NOT. Like I said, I had 10 injectors tested, and a good group of injectors cleaned and identified for $40....and I live in CT, where things tend to be expensive , but I got lucky this time
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Why can't they simply replace springs to adjust pop pressure instead of shimming the originals? Is the spring somehow an integrated part of the nozzle?
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Tom, do you rebuild the injectors? If so, how much would it cost to get new nozzles installed and five injectors balanced? BTW what in the "improved Monarch nozzle" that is listed by the suppliers? Are there any nozzles that would work better with WVO? Thanks for your help.
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Tom, do you rebuild the injectors? If so, how much would it cost to get new nozzles installed and five injectors balanced?
Too much.

Really, I find it hard to tell people that new nozzles (the only ones I'll use) will cost $40-50ea, then another $15-20ea to dis-assy, ultrasonically clean all parts, then re-assy and balance them as a set, then have to ship them. Most look at the rebuilds for $50 or so and say that's a better deal.

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BTW what in the "improved Monarch nozzle" that is listed by the suppliers? Are there any nozzles that would work better with WVO? Thanks for your help.
Not sure what they mean by "improved", but about anything "Monark" I've found to be of sub-standard quality.

The best for WVO are the DNOSD240//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////. What I recommend for SVO/WVO is to increase the pop pressure by about 10 bar for better atomization, then advance the IP to compensate.
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Re: Re: Re: New German Nozzles - Bulk Order

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No such thing as "new" injectors. ....
ok... thanks for the info. Makes since now. I had read that new injector was actually rebuilt.

You mentioned you polished and Indian nozzle just for the heck of it and it did improve things. How much do you think this polishing changes things that are critical. (more fuel, etc.)
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Old 07-08-2004, 03:02 AM
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just wondering . . .

howdy folks,
was wondering acouple of things here, 1st, what does it cost to get an injector from a steelership, an what kind do they sell? I know there rebuilds, are they any better? or same-o-same-o, junk also?
I replaced the injectors in my 6.9 ferd, got'm from a IH dealer for 43 clams apiece, they seemed to be well rebuilt, good spray pattern, an all open with in spec., I didn't have to take any of them back. Just so everyone know the set I took out were well worn, dipping, leaking injectors, acouple of them, had to dig the barrels out...
on the benz, the injectors & glo plugs look like there rusted in, good ol' northwestern rain thanks all.

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I'm interested in getting 5 of them.

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