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Old 05-18-2001, 01:16 PM
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After a couple of hours at Willow Springs Raceway, I have gone on the quest for a more neutral handling W124 wagon, by reducing understeer.

As with all things, suspension changes are like equations. A change ANYWHERE changes things everywhere.

Currently I'm running H&R Springs front & rear for the 300TE; Bilstein Sport dampers front; SportLine front swaybar; and the stock self-levelling in the rear.

The H&R springs are great for the track, but too low for the street IF you have aggressive spoilers (Brabus) like I do.

The Bilstein Sport dampers combined with the H&R springs in the front ride like a BMW M3, and the SportLine front swaybar reduces lean considerably.

However, with the stock rear swaybar, the balance has shifted to more understeer.

For reference, here are some swaybar measurements I have gleaned from both personal experience and other enthusiasts. All measurements are in millimeters:

300E Stock (F/R): 26.7 / 15.0 Delta: 11.7 Slight Under
300TE Stock: 22.5 / 10.0 Delta: 12.5 Understeer
SportLine: 27.5 / 17.0 Delta: 10.5 Neutral/Under
Eibach: 28.0 / 17.0 Delta: 11.0 Slight Under
500E Stock: 27.5 / 15.0 Delta: 12.5 Understeer
Delsing Motorsport: 31.75/ 22.2 Delta: 09.55 Neutral

My Wagon: 27.5 / 10.0 Delta: 17.5 Heavy Under

My goal is to get to a delta between 9.55 and 10.5, with the Sportline front swaybar.

Now if I can only find a 17-18mm rear swaybar that fits the self-levelling suspension of the 300TE/500E . . .

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Old 05-20-2001, 02:09 AM
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Hey, I got H&R springs on my W124 too. I didn't use bilstein but Koni (sports)yellow for adjustability.
Yeah, I think the H&R springs are a bit too low for street use without a front kit.

You seem to have excellent knowledge regarding W124 suspension turning. I have some suspension question and I hope really you could help me.

Do you think is possible to use a thicker spring pad at the front to raise the car a little bit ?
Do you know the OEM spring pad size ?

In your opinion, which sway bar is better for a 93 300E ?
The little thicker Eibach or the OEM Sportline ?

What sizes are your tires ? I use 17" 215/45
How you set your alignment config ?

***** The Bilstein Sport dampers combined with the H&R springs in the front ride like a BMW M3******

Forgive my ignorance , what do you meant by "ride" ? Does it handles like a M3 or the ride quality ( comfort ) is like the M3 ?
E 36 or E 26 ??

For the sway bars, try contact Randy in
They sell bars for Mercedes, they might be able to help.

Thank you very much for your time. Your help will be greatly appreciated.

Pete regards

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