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KirkVining · #31 12-03-2004, 02:04 PM

http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/issuebrf/nsf01311/sib01311.htm

shane · #32 12-03-2004, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

you must look pretty good in that hooded white robe............

I figured I would get some non-thinking reply as this. You can't even disagree with the importance of the holocaust nowadays. While it was, and should always be taught about, it sould also be put into context with all the other human atrocities that occurred before and after the screwball hitler took control of germany. There are thousands dying today in Africa. Today I said. Look it up. Just because they are from a third world nation do they not deserve recognition? They do. And the jewish community has played their victim card long enough. Hell even a good jewish friend of mine thinks that we favor israel far too much and that they are mentioned in the media far too often. We as a society can not keep educating our children to think in the simple good and evil guise. The rest of the world is moving on, and we are falling behind.

KirkVining · #33 12-03-2004, 02:05 PM

Gee, what a coincidence - this one covers the time the Republicans have controlled Congress:

http://www.nsf.gov/sbe/srs/infbrief/nsf02316/start.htm

#34 12-03-2004, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shane

I figured I would get some non-thinking reply as this. You can't even disagree with the importance of the holocaust nowadays. While it was, and should always be taught about, it sould also be put into context with all the other human atrocities that occurred before and after the screwball hitler took control of germany. There are thousands dying today in Africa. Today I said. Look it up. Just because they are from a third world nation do they not deserve recognition? They do. And the jewish community has played their victim card long enough. Hell even a good jewish friend of mine thinks that we favor israel far too much and that they are mentioned in the media far too often. We as a society can not keep educating our children to think in the simple good and evil guise. The rest of the world is moving on, and we are falling behind.

It is not a non-thinking reply. I do not discount the current and recent slaughters of non-Jewish folk. Genocide is as old as time and there are many examples that would make the strongest stomach turn. Stalin starved many million in the forced collectivization of agriculture in the USSR. What I was noting was your apparent dislike of "the Jew" and condeming them for playing the victim card. Hell, in your current reply, you don't even capitalize Jew or Israel! I don't give a s**t if you are an anti-semite, but I will call you on it. And no, I am not Jewish, not really particularly religious. Just bristle at folks who downgrade Jews for what occured to them. I first had to hear that crap going up in the south from "good ole boys", now it is coming from the left: man, how the worm has turned. Two distinct cultures that could not even share the same room now have a common enemy....

KirkVining · #35 12-03-2004, 03:53 PM

Oh, cut the smear job, Jake. Since when is anit-Semitism "coming from the left"? That is total BS. Being against what ever the Israeli government happens to be doing is no more anti-Semitic than being against the US Government's action is anti-Christian.

#36 12-03-2004, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

Oh, cut the smear job, Jake. Since when is anit-Semitism "coming from the left"? That is total BS. Being against what ever the Israeli government happens to be doing is no more anti-Semitic than being against the US Government's action is anit-Christian.

Maybe so, but it seems like I hear a lot of anti-semetic froth from the left nowadays, as well as from our progressive friends in Europe.

boneheaddoctor · #37 12-03-2004, 03:57 PM

If kids don't know about the Holocaust ist becasue the teachers won't teach it....

Why.....Liberals hate jews......

Never mind the fact this was one of the more significant events of the 20th century.

KirkVining · #38 12-03-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Jake

Maybe so, but it seems like I hear a lot of anti-semetic froth from the left nowadays, as well as from our progressive friends in Europe.

I certainly haven't seen any. What are you calling anti-Semitism?

boneheaddoctor · #39 12-03-2004, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by KirkVining

I certainly haven't seen any. What are you calling anti-Semitism?

I know this was not directed my way.............but its the left who preffer to support the Palestinian terrorists, and say that Isreal deserves what it gets.....

Thats mighty anti-semetic in my eyes.

KirkVining · #40 12-03-2004, 04:11 PM

Prove it, liar.

boneheaddoctor · #41 12-03-2004, 04:19 PM

Clinton having turned its backs on Isreal in Support of Arabfat who was a life long terrorist...

THe fact since Bush took office the left arguing its US that are ruining peace in the middle east, and not the palestinian homicide bombers.....

And the Fact that the left supports the Palestinians who really don't LIKE democricy....where Isreal is the only real functional democricy in the entire region.

Common sense would dictate we back those who back democricy, not attack them.

And most of the Holocaust was a figment of the imagination followers are overwelmingly liberal......

davidmash · #42 12-03-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by shane

the holocaust was mankind in his worst hour. but it also still happens all the time to other ethnic groups besides jews. how come we never hear about them? how long are we going to let the jews play the victim game? how long are we going to piss off the muslim world by being blatantly biased towards israel?

There is a saying that it is better to be thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt. You may want to take heed of that advice.

To my knowledge, there has never been an attempt such as what the Nazis did to remove an entire group of people from the face of the planet in such a violent and methodical way.

In nearly every century, someone has tried to exterminate the Jews.

As far as supporting Israel, do you honestly think the US is supporting them out of the goodness of their heart? There is a quid pro quo. They test the US weapons systems under live fire, real combat situations. They provide intelligence on all the powers in that area. Who do you think took out the Iraqi nuclear power plant in 1981? They are the only democratic country in the area. The US gets far more out of their support for Israel than for the support provided to Saudi Arabia (home of the 9/11 terrorists) Kuwait … etc.

We hear about the genocide that is occurring in Africa but US chooses to do nothing because they have nothing to offer. No precious metals, no oil, strategic bases, so we let them die.

Racism is alive and well in the US. When Bush Jr. played the race card to get John McCain punted out of the primaries in 2000 no one even flinched. His campaign circulated flyers in S. Carolina (I believe) implying that McCain had a “Negro” (a vulgar term in the way that it was used) baby. The facts were that the child was adopted after they brought the child to the US for medical treatment. Not that it should have mattered how the child came to live with the McCains.

My guess is that you are white male. You probably have never had a door slammed in your face because of your skin color. Never been called a “Christ killer” because of your religious beliefs. Never been paid less for the same work just because you can take a leak standing up.

Just because not all of injustices in the world are noted by society does not mean that any of them should ever be forgotten.

And yes, I am a Jew and my family are survivors of the Nazi concentration camps, including Auschwitz.

davidmash · #43 12-03-2004, 04:37 PM

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I'd like to see what the numbers are for Germany.

It may depend on the generations that are asked. My mom and dad have gone over each year for about the past 15 or so and spoke with students in high school and college.

They eat it up. The bell rings and they are still sitting in their seats. They are taught about their history the same way we are taught about what we did to the native Americans, Japanese during WWII, the blacks since the birth of this nation. That is to say very little if anything.

Denial, it ain’t just a river in Egypt.

MTI · #44 12-03-2004, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by boneheaddoctor

And most of the Holocaust was a figment of the imagination followers are overwelmingly liberal......

The advocates of "white power" and "white supremacy" are liberals? Wow, the things you learn every day.

shane · #45 12-03-2004, 04:41 PM

Jake, I can't even voice an opinion on the USA being too pro Israel in policy without immediately getting labled an antisemitic. I can't say anything against Bush without being labeled a raging left winged liberal. Of which I am neither in reality.
Now if we can please put down the blinders and take a look around at more than one point of view you will see that being blatantly biased toward Israel is one of the major causes for 9-11. Now I am all for supporting Israel more than any non-democratic form of gov't. in the middle east, yes I am in fact. This is just good for our way of life; however, we need to show some resemblance of balance. We have not done this in decades, much to the angst of the middle eastern neighbors of Israel with their different religious affiliations.
But we have and continue to go too far pro-Israel. It enrages the muslims. Why should the USA suffer because of Israel's inability to get along with its neighbors? Why should we lose all the lives that we did because of this bias on 9-11? I would say the same thing if Israeli's were catholic, protestant, or aetheist. Just because they have been tragically attacked in the last century does not give them the right to play the role of the righteous victim forever more. Playing the victim is always prosperous, just ask any southerner or watch the movie Gone With The Wind. We shoud do things in the future to prevent victims. The war in Iraq would be a great place to start for example.