Originally Posted by cmac2012

Yeah, and I'll guarantee you that Native Amercians lived on your land or nearby long before any of your ancestors trod upon that soil. So what? Should we finance an Exodus of Native Ams to your backyard because God promised them that land?

For all sorts of reasons, the Jews, for the most part, left the holy lands. The people who were there imediately before Zionism got up and running had been there continuously for some time.

It was an awkward way to introduce themselves to their new neighbors. Jews for Justice in the Middle East have documented many, many items in the historical record that indicate Zionists wished to simply export the Palestinians somewhere, anywhere, else. Just sweep that debris aside.

It was a recipe for disaster, and whatayouknow. Disaster is what we got.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

For all sorts of reasons, the Jews, for the most part, left the holy lands. The people who were there imediately before Zionism got up and running had been there continuously for some time.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Who was living on your land, on your turf, in 1518?

Originally Posted by peragro

So the romans got rid of the Jews, the Romans got rid of themselves (with the help of various goths and visigoths et al), the Jews came back and got rid of the Palestinians.

Likewise, various tribes of indigenous Indians replaced other tribes of indigenous Indians here on this continent then we replaced them. (you gotta let go of that noble savage mindset you have, it's so nineteenth century)

It's the circle of life, hakuna-matata and all that.

Get over it.

Originally Posted by peragro

Hmmmmmm, as I remeber wasn't the old Roman Syria Palestine part of modern day Jordan? Why don't those damned Jordanians give those poor Palestinians back their homeland? Fascists!

Oh yeah, Egypt too!

Originally Posted by cmac2012

Yeah the Jews got rid of the Palestinians. So why are we giving them 4 or 5 $billion a year? Let them do it on their own. Why drag my goyish arse into it?

Originally Posted by mikemover

Exactly.

Jordan, Egypt, and a couple of other surrounding nations hold far, FAR more square mileage of the lands that the Palestinians claim as their own.

Why are they not sending suicide bombers over the border into those countries, and demanding the return of "their lands"?....

...Because it's not about the worthless f***ing land. It's about their hatred of the Jewish people.

Mike

Originally Posted by mikemover

Most of those "all sorts of reasons" you so easily glossed over were attacks and forced evictions, carried out by neighboring Arab states, and the Roman Empire (who also originated the term "Palestinian"... There was NEVER a "Palestine"... No Palestinian nation, no Palestinian language, no Palestinian....anything. They are Arabic.)

Originally Posted by cmac2012

So who were the Philistines spoken of in the bible?

Going back to your earlier historical narrative, are you saying that the Jewish presence in Palestine prior to Zionism was larger than the Arab presence? I kinda doubt it.

And the date of birth of Mohammed has about nothing to do with this.

Originally Posted by mikemover

...Because it's not about the worthless f***ing land. It's about their hatred of the Jewish people.

Originally Posted by peragro

About as much as does the land. It's about KILLING ALL THE JEWS.

Originally Posted by peragro

Well, actually the Palestinians did break down a wall a few weeks back that bordered onto Egypt from the Gaza. Egypt met them with lots of tanks and guns. Evidently the Egyptians don't want to help out their Islam brothers. Didn't see a whole lot on the news about that.

You're right, it's about the Jews not the land.

Originally Posted by cmac2012

More nonsense. Yes they hate the Jews. That hatred was not summoned from a magic hat.

You're earlier remark about the Arabs that voluntarily left is a selective bit of history. Yes it happened. After the Jewish sacking of numerous villages.