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peragro · #91 03-16-2006, 02:19 AM

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Gosh, if only that wicked witch hadn't cast a spell on all Arabs to hate the Jews and to want to kill them all, things would be so much nicer.

Yea, they would. Too bad she also wrote it in the charter of Hamas and seems to be whispering it to Ahmadinajad daily.

BTW, how many innocent Iranians did the Israelis evict. What's their motive for hating them?

mikemover · #92 03-16-2006, 02:22 AM

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Other Arabs did not push Palestinians off of their land. If they had, I reckon the Palestinian crowd would hate them instead.

You are right.

The Palestinians, along with Jordan, Egypt, Iran, and others, surrounded and attacked Israel, in an attempt to remove and/or eliminate the Jewish people. War ensued.

And they lost.

Sore losers, they are.

Egypt and the other surrounding nations don't want the Palestinians to migrate to their countries either, because they have shown themselves to be nothing but trouble.

Mike

cmac2012 · #93 03-16-2006, 02:25 AM

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Yea, they would. Too bad she also wrote it in the charter of Hezbollah and seems to be whispering it to Ahmadinajad daily.

BTW, how many innocent Iranians did the Israelis evict. What's their motive for hating them?

That is a sorta good point. Not sure why the Iranian hatred runs so deep. I think part of it has to do with the Jewish participation, along with us, in training the Shah's secret police, Savak -- make that the Shahs viciously cruel, hated and despised secret police.

I imagine that made it appear that Jews had designs on manipulating Iran in ways that might benefit Israel.

Imagine if Venezuela had done something like that to us when we were down. We've been the big dog for so long, we can't even imagine what it would be like.

peragro · #94 03-16-2006, 02:30 AM

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That is a sorta good point. Not sure why the Iranian hatred runs so deep. I think part of it has to do with the Jewish participation, along with us, in training the Shah's secret police, Savak -- make that the Shahs viciously cruel, hated and despised secret police.

I imagine that made it appear that Jews had designs on manipulating Iran in ways that might benefit Israel.

Imagine if Venezuela had done something like that to us when we were down. We've been the big dog for so long, we can't even imagine what it would be like.

You are truly hopeless. The Iranians adored Hitler because he tried to kill all the jews, well before the Shah. I heard that first from a 4th grade girl.

Nothing like being the epitome of the signature at the bottom of your page.

cmac2012 · #95 03-16-2006, 02:31 AM

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You are right.

The Palestinians, along with Jordan, Egypt, Iran, and others, surrounded and attacked Israel, in an attempt to remove and/or eliminate the Jewish people. War ensued.

And they lost.

Sore losers, they are.

Egypt and the other surrounding nations don't want the Palestinians to migrate to their countries either, because they have shown themselves to be nothing but trouble.

I don't want to take a side in this. I want to imagine what is going on in the heads of all involved.

Perhaps Arabs don't think they've lost yet. Maybe they think they lost one battle. You speak as if your opinions are set in stone.

Arable land and water is in short supply in that region. Look at how Houston is sorta reeling from the problems of Katrian refugees, expats, whatever they want to be called. Unemployment is high all over the Arab world.

Not sure why Arabs hate Jews so much. Perhaps they believed that Israel was only the first bit of real estate the Jews coveted. I don't see much willingness for present day Zionists to stop acquiring new territory. They let go of Gaza because it was not a cost effective acquisition, though I understand more and more Jews don't want their sons to be out defending far flung settlements.

cmac2012 · #96 03-16-2006, 02:36 AM

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You are truly hopeless. The Iranians adored Hitler because he tried to kill all the jews, well before the Shah. I heard that first from a 4th grade girl.

Nothing like being the epitome of the signature at the bottom of your page.

Thank you so much. Part of the reason Iranians gravitated to Hitler was because Hitler was battling England and Russia, that would be the England and Russia who had been struggling with each other to see who would be the main exploiter of Iran until they settled on a pact with each other that gave Russia access to the northern regions and the Brits control of the south, which included the oil fields the Brits discovered, leaving Iran a sliver in the middle so they wouldn't complain too much. They announced this arrangement to Iran, w/o prior consultation.

Again, you look at a small part and claim it is the whole.

BTW Pergo mon, there is no net like delusion.

PS: Russian and British exploitation of Iran way predated Hitler. Shah Reza Pahlavi (sp) was just the most recent shah. His father was more popular than he but the crowd before his father were, AFAI can tell, mostly decadent, immoral bloodsuckers, ironically empowered by the Brits in exchange for plundering rights. Reza mon rekindled that spirit. Maybe you need to expand your sources and draw on more than "a 4th grade girl."

mikemover · #97 03-16-2006, 03:08 AM

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...Perhaps they believed that Israel was only the first bit of real estate the Jews coveted. I don't see much willingness for present day Zionists to stop acquiring new territory....

If so, then they're not doing so well, because Israel has NOT grown, and shows no signs of doing so. It is STILL only about the size of New Jersey.

I really don't understand where some people get the ridiculous idea that Israel is aggressively "expansionist" or "imperialist".

Mike

mikemover · #98 03-16-2006, 03:10 AM

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Nothing like being the epitome of the signature at the bottom of your page.

Ouch. A cheap shot, but a good one!

Mike

cmac2012 · #99 03-16-2006, 03:26 AM

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If so, then they're not doing so well, because Israel has NOT grown, and shows no signs of doing so. It is STILL only about the size of New Jersey.

I really don't understand where some people get the ridiculous idea that Israel is aggressively "expansionist" or "imperialist".

I imagine the new fence/wall, which strayed outside of formerly agreed upon lines, to annex some of the choice bits of land in the west bank, has something to do with it.

Look at the whole picture. We are Israel's steadfast ally and vicey versa, when they're not trying to spy on us, that is. Oh but hey, we slapped their hand good for that and made them wait a whole week before we gave them the next payment on their $4 billion a year.

Anyway, Iraq has the kind of water most Arab states only dream about. Here we are, virtually laying claim to it. Oh I forgot, we're trying to help them become free.

The very existance of Israel is owed to imperialism.

From m-w.com:

Imperialism
2 : the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or influence.

Apologists for Zionism seem to think if it happened 50 or 100 years ago it is a fait accompli. Would that it were that easy. I think the Arabs would be much better off if they looked up to the Jews as teachers and partners, and learned what they could to advance themselves. The Arabs don't care or know what I think.

A poor workman blames his tools. Israel's execution of this whole affair haas not been deft. The fault for this mess does not rest solely on Arab or Iranian heads. The belief that it does hinders true progress, IMH,HO.

cmac2012 · #**100** 03-16-2006, 03:35 AM

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Ouch. A cheap shot, but a good one!

I love it when my adversaries do high fives w/ each other about how they've put me in my place. Premature celebration, a bit like the more common premature thingy.

mikemover · #**101** 03-16-2006, 03:51 AM

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I love it when my adversaries do high fives w/ each other about how they've put me in my place. Premature celebration, a bit like the more common premature thingy.

Relax. I just thought it was funny.

Mike

mikemover · #**102** 03-16-2006, 03:57 AM

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I imagine the new fence/wall, which strayed outside of formerly agreed upon lines, to annex some of the choice bits of land in the west bank, has something to do with it.

Oh, yeah... What did that gain them?... A few square miles of worthless sand? At that astounding rate of expansion, it's going to take them a few thousand years to even grow to the size of...... say... North Carolina!

It's merely a "buffer zone" to help keep the bombers and grenade launchers at bay, and I can hardly blame them for wanting to establish such a thing.

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Look at the whole picture....

.....The very existance of Israel is owed to imperialism.

Actually, Israel has ESCAPED the Imperialist reach of pretty much ALL of its neighbors at least once. In some cases more than once.

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I think the Arabs would be much better off if they looked up to the Jews as teachers and partners, and learned what they could to advance themselves...

....Israel's execution of this whole affair haas not been deft. The fault for this mess does not rest solely on Arab or Iranian heads. The belief that it does hinders true progress, IMH,HO.

These points I can agree with.

Mike

cmac2012 · #**103** 03-16-2006, 04:28 AM

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Oh, yeah... What did that gain them?... A few square miles of worthless sand? At that astounding rate of expansion, it's going to take them a few thousand years to even grow to the size of...... say... North Carolina!

Mike, you're no dummy but you put blinders on over this issue. A few miles of worthless sand? Is that why the fence snakes such a circuitous course, at a cost of mega $$ per mile? They're dividing up Palestinian villages and keeping Arab farmers away from their fields for more sand?

I've not been on the scene, but I've read more than once that the fence is annexing choice bits w/ water. Apparently they figure they're not going to do this again for a while so let's grab the good stuff now.

cmac2012 · #**104** 03-16-2006, 04:32 AM

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Relax. I just thought it was funny.

Well I hope Pergo mon thinks post #96 was funny, wherein I brilliantly pointed out that there was a lot more going on with Iran's flirtation with Hitler than mere hatred of Jews, thereby utterly leaving his premise in smoldering ruins.

cmac2012 · #**105** 03-16-2006, 04:47 AM

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Uh, post #63.

One of the seminal parts of the article:

"The original settlement, which dates from the 10th and 9th centuries B.C., is also a new discovery"

That the Jews lived in the holy lands in the 9th and 10th centuries is news? Moses is reckoned to have lived in the 12th or 13th century, I believe. If he led them there, they must have been there before the 9th or 10th. The land was not deserted when Moses and crew arrived. That would explain the warfare.

MikeMover stated a while back that the land is not Palestinian land, or maybe he said it is Israel's, I forget.

Claiming that one group or the other owns it because of violent takeovers and occupation of territory 3000+ years ago is just a bit thin. Where did the Jews live before escaping from the Egyptians?

If you buy the Jacob and Esau story, Arabs and Jews have been around exactly the same length of time, give or take a few years. What matters now is that both of 'em want the same land and neither has the civility nor cultural maturity to live with each other as equals.