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aklim · #1 03-06-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Your absolutely right. Nothing can replace it. If we come up with a good way to use nuclear energy to produce a portable fuel, hydrogen, I'm guessing, we'd have to build nuke plants at a furious pace to replace the current btus we get from oil.

And a nuke or three in every county is not a desirable situation. We leave a lousy legacy to our descendants. Imagine the chaos if it ran out today. Imagine the chaos if it runs out with twice our current population and similar usage levels.

We waste unbelievable amounts of it because we can. It's not out of the question to live 60 miles from your job because we have the petrol to transport us. We're setting ourselves further and further out on a limb by continuing to expand our oil dependent way of life.

And then we will be locked into another cartel. Same music, different dance partner.

Yeah, they'd never have a way to fix it then.

So what do you suggest? Buy and RV and drive to the job site and when that job dries up, move to the next one? Wait for the job to come to us? I think I'll go for option 3. I'll go to the job. Yes, it would be nice if the wife could have a job just down the road and I work from home. Oh, can we ask that things don't change for the rest of our lives too?

450slcguy · #2 03-06-2007, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dlssmith

With all due respect, replacing oil is impossible with current technologies. There is nothing, absolutely nothing on the planet that can produce the btu energy of oil or coal. Nothing else is so portable, or mutable. Nothing else is as efficient. I'm talking big picture efficiency, ease of use, etc. There is no substance or technology that has been able to lift mankind as far away from the caves of our ancestors as oil (or coal). Everything you do, everything you are, is by and of these products. The food, medicine, clothing; everything. The very reason we enjoy the high standard of living today is because we've figured out how to deliver an almost unlimited supply of electrical energy to every home in the US and much of the world.

You say you don't want to be at the mercy of greedy oil empires, or under threat of war for oil, but have you stopped to consider that energy will be controlled by some one, no matter what the energy is made from? A giant solar energy cartel based in the earth's deserts is likely to emerge if we perfect that technology - you'll have to buy it from some one.

Your sound bites, all 10 or 11 of them, despite their passion, are lacking in logic. You could do much more for humanity by promoting the dissemination of current energy technology to everyone on the planet. What a goal, "An electric outlet in every home on earth within 10 years!!! Rather than world bank suppression of the construction of oil and coal fired power plants in the third world, because they "pollute". We live here in America, all electrically wired, amongst all this "pollution" - yet we live to an average age of 78?

A couple of years ago in France during a fairly common place heatwave, over 15,000 people died, mainly in their homes. Air conditioning would have saved most of them, but since the French government prices electricity so high, few can afford to operate an airconditioner. A couple of coal fired power plants would have saved 15000 people!!!! So much for passionate soundbites.

And just what oil company do you work for?

dlssmith · #3 03-06-2007, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

And just what oil company do you work for?

I don't work for any oil company, or anything of the sort. I am realistic. Oil and coal are what we have for now. Their services will not be required forever. Neither will we run out of them before alternatives are perfected. You could do well to encourage your children to embark on scientific careers to find the answers. But encouraging your children to parrot soundbites about how "evil" oil is, wastes their time, and is insulting. You can't get along without oil/coal, and you shouldn't be telling others to either.

Oil and coal are the means to an end game of sustainable, clean energy. But this sustainable energy is yet to be perfected. Be patient, it will come.

justinperkins · #4 03-06-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dlssmith

With all due respect, replacing oil is impossible with current technologies. There is nothing, absolutely nothing on the planet that can produce the btu energy of oil or coal. Nothing else is so portable, or mutable. Nothing else is as efficient. I'm talking big picture efficiency, ease of use, etc. There is no substance or technology that has been able to lift mankind as far away from the caves of our ancestors as oil (or coal). Everything you do, everything you are, is by and of these products. The food, medicine, clothing; everything. The very reason we enjoy the high standard of living today is because we've figured out how to deliver an almost unlimited supply of electrical energy to every home in the US and much of the world.

You say you don't want to be at the mercy of greedy oil empires, or under threat of war for oil, but have you stopped to consider that energy will be controlled by some one, no matter what the energy is made from? A giant solar energy cartel based in the earth's deserts is likely to emerge if we perfect that technology - you'll have to buy it from some one.

Your sound bites, all 10 or 11 of them, despite their passion, are lacking in logic. You could do much more for humanity by promoting the dissemination of current energy technology to everyone on the planet. What a goal, "An electric outlet in every home on earth within 10 years!!! Rather than world bank suppression of the construction of oil and coal fired power plants in the third world, because they "pollute". We live here in America, all electrically wired, amongst all this "pollution" - yet we live to an average age of 78?

A couple of years ago in France during a fairly common place heatwave, over 15,000 people died, mainly in their homes. Air conditioning would have saved most of them, but since the French government prices electricity so high, few can afford to operate an airconditioner. A couple of coal fired power plants would have saved 15000 people!!!! So much for passionate soundbites.

We are dependent because oil companies, car companies all with the help of governments have guided us down the path of oil dependence over the last 100 years.

In the 1800's, the US used more hemp than oil. In the early 1900's, most US cities had very decent (respectable even by today's standards) electric rail systems. Where are they now? Who took them away?

cmac2012 · #5 03-06-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by justinperkins

We are dependent because oil companies, car companies all with the help of governments have guided us down the path of oil dependence over the last 100 years.

In the 1800's, the US used more hemp than oil. In the early 1900's, most US cities had very decent (respectable even by today's standards) electric rail systems. Where are they now? Who took them away?

Hey, another guy who's been drinking smart juice. Why can't I get any?

aklim · #6 03-06-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by justinperkins

We are dependent because oil companies, car companies all with the help of governments have guided us down the path of oil dependence over the last 100 years.

In the 1800's, the US used more hemp than oil. In the early 1900's, most US cities had very decent (respectable even by today's standards) electric rail systems. Where are they now? Who took them away?

We didn't want public transport. We wanted the independence of coming and going as we pleased. We didn't want to have to go out in the cold and wait for the rail car. We wanted to walk into the warm garage and get into the car, come and go as we pleased. Well this independence was given to you by the car. However this independence doesn't come free. As such, the rail car died. Do you have public transport? How much have you used? When traveling, do you take the Greyhound or do you drive your own car? What about in town? Do you take the bus or do you drive?

To answer your questions, go to the bathroom and look in the mirror. You didn't want them enough so they died out. It is not the car companies, oil companies or govt. It is all you, the consumer. You wanted it, you got it. Nobody led you anywheres. You didn't want to go out in the elements at the prescribed time. You wanted your privacy. You wanted your comfort. You got it all. Now you ***** and moan about something you haven't shown interest in for years. You sound just like a kid that complains because Mom threw away some of your old toys you haven't played with for years.

OMEGAMAN · #7 03-06-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

Enough with oil. It's time for a alternate energy solution. It's like an addict finding a new drug supplier. I don't want to be enslaved by hostile foreign countries and at the mercy of the greedy oil empires. I don't want the pollution, the global warming, and the lingering threat of oil based wars. I want new technologies and renewable energy resources. I want energy independence instead of energy dependence.

More oil is not the solution, it's just more of the same problems.

Hey Al Gore you need to drive an electric car before you tell us about the evils of using oil. A 450 slc is hardly fuel efficient.

450slcguy · #8 03-06-2007, 04:54 PM

My SLC is not a daily driver, less than 1k a year. My daily driver is a Toyota. As far as Al Gore s is concerned, I like him and I hope he decides to run in the next election.

PS.... I never said "OIL" was evil, get it right if want to chastise someone. I'm concerned about our countries foreign energy dependency, and the environmental impact of fossil fuels. Something we all should be concerned about.

Botnst · #9 03-06-2007, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

My SLC is not a daily driver, less than 1k a year. My daily driver is a Toyota. As far as Al Gore s is concerned, I like him and I hope he decides to run in the next electon.

I hope he decides to run, too. We need lots of competing views on everything that's going on. More the merrier.

AustinsCE · #10 03-06-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

My SLC is not a daily driver, less than 1k a year. My daily driver is a Toyota. As far as Al Gore s is concerned, I like him and I hope he decides to run in the next election.

PS.... I never said "OIL" was evil, get it right if want to chastise someone. I'm concerned about our countries foreign energy dependency, and the environmental impact of fossil fuels. Something we all should be concerned about.

Then your argument doesn't belong in this post because the article was plainly about specifically improving the efficiency of producing oil from this country, as well is the efficiency creating a cleaner extraction process.

mplafleur · #11 03-06-2007, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

As far as Al Gore s is concerned, I like him and I hope he decides to run in the next election

300SD81 · #12 03-05-2007, 11:41 PM

Everyone produce biodiesel

$0.80/gallon + good for the enviorment, sounds great to me..

kknudson · #13 03-05-2007, 11:54 PM

Oil Reserves.
For those of you older folks, remember the Oil crisis of the 70s, the world would be OUT of Oil in 20 years Tops.

Interestingly today the proven reserves are about 3 times what they were back then, and how much have we consumed in that time. Some of the "new" reserves reflects the ability to get oil out of what were once dying, or dead wells. Most though is new discoveries.

Right now it's really a supply and demand crunch, producing near cappacity, and using just a shade under that. So any little ripple screws up the market.

While I am not a diesel guy, a comment about the BioFuels.
Something on, Future Cars I think, when you burn Bio fuels the pollution drops to almost nothing. In some cases it was nothing, sorry I don't remember the details.

Personally, I am not sold on ethanol. For one we need the corn as food, in one form or another.
Wait till people start complaining about the price of food going through the roof, because al of the corn is being routed to ethanol production.
There are a number of other issue's as well.

dlssmith · #14 03-06-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by kknudson

While I am not a diesel guy, a comment about the BioFuels.
Something on, Future Cars I think, when you burn Bio fuels the pollution drops to almost nothing. In some cases it was nothing, sorry I don't remember the details.

Personally, I am not sold on ethanol. For one we need the corn as food, in one form or another.
Wait till people start complaining about the price of food going through the roof, because al of the corn is being routed to ethanol production.
There are a number of other issue's as well.

Alternative fuels. Ethanol, bio diesel, etc. Pres Bush recently stated that we should have as a goal 20% of our fuel needs met with ethanol and biodiesel at some point in the future. Folks, there isn't enough land in the US to grow the crops necessary to do this and feed ourselves. Then there is all the energy to make those fuels. I guess we'll just have to import it.

A264172 · #15 03-06-2007, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by dlssmith

...Folks, there isn't enough land in the US to grow the crops necessary to do this and feed ourselves. Then there is all the energy to make those fuels. I guess we'll just have to import it.

Anarticle:
http://www.theoildrum.com/story/2006/11/27/0432/3533