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Old 03-06-2007, 12:23 AM
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Everyone produce biodiesel $0.80/gallon + good for the enviorment, sounds great to me..
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Old 03-06-2007, 12:34 AM
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Actually, if you think we have it rough, wait till our kids have to deal with water issue's.
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:45 AM
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Actually, if you think we have it rough, wait till our kids have to deal with water issue's.
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:29 AM
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The earth is going to cave in on itself by the time all this "new technology" runs it's course.

I'm headed for Mars.
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:46 AM
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The earth is going to cave in on itself by the time all this "new technology" runs it's course.

I'm headed for Mars.
Yep, that's my point.
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Old 03-06-2007, 01:50 AM
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Anybody here cut down on fossil fuel consumption this year?
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Old 03-06-2007, 02:18 AM
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Anybody here cut down on fossil fuel consumption this year?
A better question would be did we have any alternative methods to accomplish that goal? Besides turning down the thermostat and and driving fewer miles, my answer would be no.
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Old 03-06-2007, 10:10 AM
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A better question would be did we have any alternative methods to accomplish that goal? Besides turning down the thermostat and and driving fewer miles, my answer would be no.
So there is no way to heat your house and power your car that dosen't involve direct fossil fuel comsumption?

It may be practically dificult, and require some up front investment, but there are renewable fuels available today. The consumer only has to have the desire to make the sacrifices necessary to head down that path.

The consumer wanting to spend less for better results is the #1 cause of global oil consumption.
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Old 03-08-2007, 04:31 AM
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Anybody here cut down on fossil fuel consumption this year?
Not this year -- I have in the past, seriously cut down. Get busy, me!
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Old 03-08-2007, 06:12 AM
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Old 03-08-2007, 08:24 AM
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Not this year -- I have in the past, seriously cut down. Get busy, me!
It's up to us to create the demand for some of the more complete FF substitutes if we want them, but it does cost moreright now.
Actually I was feeling pretty smug when I asked the question originally because I cut out 1/2-2/3rds of my NG usage this year. But at least that has a payback period. If people would insulate their homes and get 10% more fuel efficient cars it would have a huge impact on our trade deficit...

I'm reminded to remind the thread; the generation we call 'the greatest' was in the habbit of saving aluminium foil and reusing it!
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Old 03-06-2007, 03:32 AM
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Old 03-06-2007, 11:46 PM
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Technology like steam and CO2 increases the recovery efficiency of the reservoirs. Tyipical recoveries under normal depletion drive maxes out at about 15% of the oil in place. A very efficient waterfllod can get you to 50% which is the upper limit.

Steam works in certain reservoirs under certain conditions, and depends heavily on the economics of the project. The cost to lift a barrel of oil by steam is huge and you must have the oil price to support it.

Ditto Co2. You need a specific type of rock and specific oil for the miscible displacement to occur. You must also be near a CO2 pipeline, which is mainly west texas and Mississippi. Otherwise you are SOL.

Not many fields can be produced this way.




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Oil innovations pump new life into old wells


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BAKERSFIELD, Calif.--The Kern River oil field, discovered in 1899, was revived when Chevron engineers here started injecting high-pressured steam to pump out more oil. The field, whose production had slumped to 10,000 barrels a day in the 1960s, now has a daily output of 85,000 barrels.
In Indonesia, Chevron has applied the same technology to the giant Duri oil field, discovered in 1941, boosting production there to more than 200,000 barrels a day, up from 65,000 barrels in the mid-1980s.


And in Texas, Exxon Mobil expects to double the amount of oil it extracts from its Means field, which dates back to the 1930s. Exxon, like Chevron, will use 3D imaging of the underground field and the injection of a gas--in this case, carbon dioxide--to flush out the oil.

Within the last decade, technology advances have made it possible to unlock more oil from old fields, and, at the same time, higher oil prices have made it economical for companies to go after reserves that are harder to reach. With plenty of oil still left in familiar locations, forecasts that the world's reserves are drying out have given way to predictions that more oil can be found than ever before.

In a wide-ranging study published in 2000, the U.S. Geological Survey estimated that ultimately recoverable resources of conventional oil totaled about 3.3 trillion barrels, of which a third has already been produced. More recently, Cambridge Energy Research Associates, an energy consultant, estimated that the total base of recoverable oil was 4.8 trillion barrels. That higher estimate--which Cambridge Energy says is likely to grow--reflects how new technology can tap into more resources.

"It's the fifth time to my count that we've gone through a period when it seemed the end of oil was near and people were talking about the exhaustion of resources," said Daniel Yergin, the chairman of Cambridge Energy and author of a Pulitzer Prize-winning history of oil, who cited similar concerns in the 1880s, after both world wars and in the 1970s. "Back then we were going to fly off the oil mountain. Instead we had a boom and oil went to $10 instead of $100."

There is still a minority view, held largely by a small band of retired petroleum geologists and some members of Congress, that oil production has peaked, but the theory has been fading. Equally contentious for the oil companies is the growing voice of environmentalists, who do not think that pumping and consuming an ever-increasing amount of fossil fuel is in any way desirable.

Increased projections for how much oil is extractable may become a political topic on many different fronts and in unpredictable ways. By reassuring the public that supplies will meet future demands, oil companies may also find legislators more reluctant to consider opening Alaska and other areas to new exploration.

On a global level, the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, which has coalesced around a price of $50 a barrel for oil, will likely see its clout reinforced in coming years. The 12-country cartel, which added Angola as its newest member this year, is poised to control more than 50 percent of the oil market in coming years, up from 35 percent today, as Western oil production declines.

"We're still finding new opportunities here. It's not over until you abandon the last well, and even then it's not over."
--Steve Garrett, geophysicist, Chevron
Oil companies say they can provide enough supplies--which might eventually lead to lower oil and gasoline prices--but that they see few alternatives to fossil fuels. Inevitably, this means that global carbon emissions used in the transportation sector will continue to increase, and so will their contribution to global warming.

The oil industry is well known for seeking out new sources of fossil fuel in far-flung places, from the icy plains of Siberia to the deep waters off West Africa. But now the quest for new discoveries is taking place alongside a much less exotic search that is crucial to the world's energy supplies. Oil companies are returning to old or mature fields partly because there are few virgin places left to explore, and, of those, few are open to investors.

At Bakersfield, for example, Chevron is using steam-flooding technology and computerized three-dimensional models to boost the output of the field's heavy oil reserves. Even after a century of production, engineers say there is plenty of oil left to be pumped from Kern River.

"We're still finding new opportunities here," said Steve Garrett, a geophysicist with Chevron. "It's not over until you abandon the last well, and even then it's not over."

Some forecasters, studying data on how much oil is used each year and how much is still believed to be in the ground, have argued that at some point by 2010, global oil production will peak--if it has not already--and begin to fall. That drop would usher in an uncertain era of shortages, price spikes and economic decline.

"I am very, very seriously worried about the future we are facing," said Kjell Aleklett, the president of the Association for the Study of Peak Oil and Gas. "It is clear that oil is in limited supplies."

Has production peaked?
Many oil executives say that these so-called peak-oil theorists fail to take into account the way that sophisticated technology, combined with higher prices that make searches for new oil more affordable, are opening up opportunities to develop supplies. As the industry improves its ability to draw new life from old wells and expands its forays into ever-deeper corners of the globe, it is providing a strong rebuttal in the long-running debate over when the world might run out of oil.

More at:http://news.com.com/2102-11392_3-6164239.html?tag=st.util.print
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Old 03-07-2007, 07:08 AM
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Technology like steam and CO2 increases the recovery efficiency of the reservoirs. Tyipical recoveries under normal depletion drive maxes out at about 15% of the oil in place. A very efficient waterfllod can get you to 50% which is the upper limit.

Steam works in certain reservoirs under certain conditions, and depends heavily on the economics of the project. The cost to lift a barrel of oil by steam is huge and you must have the oil price to support it.

Ditto Co2. You need a specific type of rock and specific oil for the miscible displacement to occur. You must also be near a CO2 pipeline, which is mainly west texas and Mississippi. Otherwise you are SOL.

Not many fields can be produced this way.
I was hoping we'd hear from somebody who knows something. Thanks.

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I heard today that Gore refuses to let any scientist with an opposing point of view on any of his discussion panels or interviews.
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