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cmac2012 · #31 03-06-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by justinperkins

We are dependent because oil companies, car companies all with the help of governments have guided us down the path of oil dependence over the last 100 years.

In the 1800's, the US used more hemp than oil. In the early 1900's, most US cities had very decent (respectable even by today's standards) electric rail systems. Where are they now? Who took them away?

Hey, another guy who's been drinking smart juice. Why can't I get any?

450slcguy · #32 03-06-2007, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by justinperkins

The earth is going to cave in on itself by the time all this "new technology" runs it's course.

I'm headed for Mars.

Yep, that's my point.

A264172 · #33 03-06-2007, 01:50 AM

Anybody here cut down on fossil fuel consumption this year?

450slcguy · #34 03-06-2007, 02:18 AM

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Anybody here cut down on fossil fuel consumption this year?

A better question would be did we have any alternative methods to accomplish that goal? Besides turning down the thermostat and and driving fewer miles, my answer would be no.

bgkast · #35 03-06-2007, 03:32 AM

I hugged a tree and filled up with B100.

aklim · #36 03-06-2007, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

Your absolutely right. Nothing can replace it. If we come up with a good way to use nuclear energy to produce a portable fuel, hydrogen, I'm guessing, we'd have to build nuke plants at a furious pace to replace the current btus we get from oil.

And a nuke or three in every county is not a desirable situation. We leave a lousy legacy to our descendants. Imagine the chaos if it ran out today. Imagine the chaos if it runs out with twice our current population and similar usage levels.

We waste unbelievable amounts of it because we can. It's not out of the question to live 60 miles from your job because we have the petrol to transport us. We're setting ourselves further and further out on a limb by continuing to expand our oil dependent way of life.

And then we will be locked into another cartel. Same music, different dance partner.

Yeah, they'd never have a way to fix it then.

So what do you suggest? Buy and RV and drive to the job site and when that job dries up, move to the next one? Wait for the job to come to us? I think I'll go for option 3. I'll go to the job. Yes, it would be nice if the wife could have a job just down the road and I work from home. Oh, can we ask that things don't change for the rest of our lives too?

aklim · #37 03-06-2007, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by cmac2012

It's a toughy. I don't really want to live in highly stacked conditions but you're right. It's coming.

Can you imagine losing most all of the Central Valley to suburbia?

Me neither.

No but that is in what? 2100? Won't live that long. Don't know who will. Don't know what will.

aklim · #38 03-06-2007, 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by justinperkins

We are dependent because oil companies, car companies all with the help of governments have guided us down the path of oil dependence over the last 100 years.

In the 1800's, the US used more hemp than oil. In the early 1900's, most US cities had very decent (respectable even by today's standards) electric rail systems. Where are they now? Who took them away?

We didn't want public transport. We wanted the independence of coming and going as we pleased. We didn't want to have to go out in the cold and wait for the rail car. We wanted to walk into the warm garage and get into the car, come and go as we pleased. Well this independence was given to you by the car. However this independence doesn't come free. As such, the rail car died. Do you have public transport? How much have you used? When traveling, do you take the Greyhound or do you drive your own car? What about in town? Do you take the bus or do you drive?

To answer your questions, go to the bathroom and look in the mirror. You didn't want them enough so they died out. It is not the car companies, oil companies or govt. It is all you, the consumer. You wanted it, you got it. Nobody led you anywheres. You didn't want to go out in the elements at the prescribed time. You wanted your privacy. You wanted your comfort. You got it all. Now you ***** and moan about something you haven't shown interest in for years. You sound just like a kid that complains because Mom threw away some of your old toys you haven't played with for years.

A264172 · #39 03-06-2007, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 450slcguy

A better question would be did we have any alternative methods to accomplish that goal? Besides turning down the thermostat and and driving fewer miles, my answer would be no.

So there is no way to heat your house and power your car that dosen't involve direct fossil fuel comsumption?

It may be practically dificult, and require some up front investment, but there are renewable fuels available today. The consumer only has to have the desire to make the sacrifices necessary to head down that path.

The consumer wanting to spend less for better results is the #1 cause of global oil consumption.

aklim · #40 03-06-2007, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by A264172

So there is no way to heat your house and power your car that dosen't involve direct fossil fuel comsumption?

It may be practically dificult, and require some up front investment, but there are renewable fuels available today. The consumer only has to have the desire to make the sacrifices necessary to head down that path.

The consumer wanting to spend less for better results is the #1 cause of global oil consumption.

There is always an DIFFERENT way to do something. However, there is NO FREE LUNCH. You can get wood but you best have access to it and be willing to spend your free time cutting, for instance. You can brew biodiesel but you are going to spend your time and energy.

If you find an oil substitute, we will fight over that too. Man is such. Even before oil came into the picture, we had wars. Today it is about oil. What was it about 300 years ago? 500 years ago? 1000 years ago? Man has always found something to fight about. Even if I piped man enough oil for every man, woman and child for 1000 years, we would still fight. What is the difference? Only what we are fighting over. What I don't get is people being simple enough to believe if we didn't need oil, life would be good. Look back to WWII. It wasn't totally about oil. It was about other resources. We have had wars and what not since time began and man grouped together. Man will fight. Today it is oil. Yesterday it was land. Before that it was *******. And before that, it was because your MIL insulted my father. Are you telling me that if we solve the issue of oil and all the problems it entails life will be good and we will all lay down our weapons, hold hands and sing "kumbaya"? If so, please pass the pipe and share the wealth because whatever you are on, it is better than what I have.

A264172 · #41 03-06-2007, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by aklim

There is always an DIFFERENT way to do something. However, there is NO FREE LUNCH. You can get wood but you best have access to it and be willing to spend your free time cutting, for instance. You can brew biodiesel but you are going to spend your time and energy.

If you find an oil substitute, we will fight over that too. Man is such. Even before oil came into the picture, we had wars. Today it is about oil. What was it about 300 years ago? 500 years ago? 1000 years ago? Man has always found something to fight about. Even if I piped man enough oil for every man, woman and child for 1000 years, we would still fight. What is the difference? Only what we are fighting over. What I don't get is people being simple enough to believe if we didn't need oil, life would be good. Look back to WWII. It wasn't totally about oil. It was about other resources. We have had wars and what not since time began and man grouped together. Man will fight. Today it is oil. Yesterday it was land. Before that it was *******. And before that, it was because your MIL insulted my father. Are you telling me that if we solve the issue of oil and all the problems it entails life will be good and we will all lay down our weapons, hold hands and sing "kumbaya"? If so, please pass the pipe and share the wealth because whatever you are on, it is better than what I have.

Yep chances are it would be MORE EXPENSIVE. At least today. But if a person doesn't want to use fossil fuels at the current rate, though they can't avoid useing them all together, they do have options.

aklim · #42 03-06-2007, 10:51 AM

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Yep chances are it would be MORE EXPENSIVE. At least today. But if a person doesn't want to use fossil fuels at the current rate, though they can't avoid useing them all together, they do have options.

I suppose the best they can hope for is to delay the inevitable. Oil isn't running out today. If everybody in the world got on board, we might be able to keep oil around for maybe another generation? Maybe 4 instead of 3 or 2 generations more?

I used to laugh at the grandfather's generation and further back for their worries about things. You think that 2 generations down the road they will be laughing at us for our worry about oil?

A264172 · #43 03-06-2007, 11:06 AM

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I used to laugh at the grandfather's generation and further back for their worries about things. You think that 2 generations down the road they will be laughing at us for our worry about oil?

Except for the ones who have to make the transition, they will be *****ing at us is my guess. For useing so much so cheaply and depriveing them of the free pass we are getting. After that though I'm sure those wipper snappers will be laughing at the lot of us

aklim · #44 03-06-2007, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by A264172

Except for the ones who have to make the transition, they will be *****ing at us is my guess. For using so much so cheaply and depriving them of the free pass we are getting. After that though I'm sure those whipper snappers will be laughing at the lot of us

And we don't do that to the previous generation of bastards for doing that? Your and my dad were bastards because they raped the land and now we have issues. Well, our children will call us bastards because we did the same. I suspect the cycle will go on. Just like Dad telling us how difficult times were when he was young and how easy we have it today, I'm sure grandpa told dad the same thing when he was young.

A264172 · #45 03-06-2007, 12:46 PM

Lou Reed - Endless Cycle

The bias of the father runs on through the son

and leaves him bothered and bewildered

The drugs in his veins only cause him to spit

at the face staring back in the mirror

How can he tell a good act from the bad

he can't even remember his name

How can he do what needs to be done

when he's a follower not a leader

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